Can they use low pressure tanks? (400PSI output)
Do classic valves differ from x/rt in this regard?
Do classic valves differ from x/rt in this regard?
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a low pressure tank on a mag is a no-no
all mags perform well in the range of 600psi up to 950psi
retro/x-valves prefer the 750psi range though for maximum performance and rechargeProud Member Of The AO Cesspool Since 08-24-2002 -
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Only person that I know that has made a mag work on low pressure is Dennis from Center Flag Products.Comment
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SP had the "Black Box" i think it was called that made them low pressure. Ended up they didn't really do to much and caused lots of problems without solving any.
Your mag will want a minimum input of 650. Unless you have a retro, rt, or x-valve thought don't bother with an ajustable tank as 850 is fine for the mag and anything higher or lower won't make a differance.
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i'm sorry, i was in a hurry cause my dad was focing me to go to bed
but retros get the best performance between 750 and 900 psi, while classic valves do best between 600 and 850
and all the black blox did was add a larger air resivoir to the valve, but that didnt do much beacuse the automag already uses a pre-measured and pre-regulated amount of air to fire, so a larger re3sivoir of unregulated air did absolutely nothing
the only thing that it was good at was acting as a weak expansin chamber for co2 usersProud Member Of The AO Cesspool Since 08-24-2002Comment
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The Black box was nothing to do with low pressure, unless you believed the advertisments, that was the "reason" given but the use was totally differentOriginally posted by PyRo
SP had the "Black Box" i think it was called that made them low pressure. Ended up they didn't really do to much and caused lots of problems without solving any.
Your mag will want a minimum input of 650. Unless you have a retro, rt, or x-valve thought don't bother with an ajustable tank as 850 is fine for the mag and anything higher or lower won't make a differance.
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Wasn't the use the All Americans cheating by having liquid CO2 dumped into the dump chamber?Originally posted by MarkM
The Black box was nothing to do with low pressure, unless you believed the advertisments, that was the "reason" given but the use was totally different
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I couldn't possibly commentOriginally posted by SlartyBartFast
Wasn't the use the All Americans cheating by having liquid CO2 dumped into the dump chamber?
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That is not true at all on my X-valve. With the ULT, I tend to see a little bit of boltstick below 800. I usually run it at 950, and it makes the trigger really snappy and I have no bolt stick. With the normal on/off assembly, the difference between 800 and 900 psi can lead to upwards of 10 bps moreOriginally posted by PyRo
850 is fine for the mag and anything higher or lower won't make a differance.
Last edited by afrankart; 09-24-2003, 04:21 PM.Cobalt DM4
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John Sosta of AGDE also created a low pressure Mag many years ago. The resulting prototype is a paper weight/conversational piece on his work bench.
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Actually a mag runs at about 350-400 psi. If you gutted the regulator part of the mag valve, you could use that tank. I think all you have to do is rip out the vlave stem and spring. I'm really not to sure though as i've never really tried it. I'm a firm believer of at least double regging everything.http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...light=feedback
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if you did that how are you going to chrono the gun. the internal reg is adjustable so you can chrono the gun. if you gut it and then replace it with a 400 preset tank, you will have a preset chrono speed. it might 260, 280, 240, 360, who knows. but whatever it is, you wont be able to change it. :) not a good plan.
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Originally posted by afrankart
That is not true at all on my X-valve. With the ULT, I tend to see a little bit of boltstick below 800. I usually run it at 950, and it makes the trigger really snappy and I have no bolt stick. With the normal on/off assembly, the difference between 800 and 900 psi can lead to upwards of 10 bps more
looks like you have some tuning to do, Also the psi has nothing to do with "bps". It has to do with sweet-spottingRT
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Abd sweetspotting can lead to a LOT more bps than not sweetspotting. That is what I was implying.Cobalt DM4
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you dont get it. Your single regg'n a mag. Using the tank as an adj. reg for the whole setup. I thought Nicad built a mag like that.Originally posted by xen_100
if you did that how are you going to chrono the gun. the internal reg is adjustable so you can chrono the gun. if you gut it and then replace it with a 400 preset tank, you will have a preset chrono speed. it might 260, 280, 240, 360, who knows. but whatever it is, you wont be able to change it. :) not a good plan.
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