another cocker mag question sorta

[sharpshooter1286]

ok, i was talkin to this kid and he was like :P8ntballer188: im gettin the new angel 4 by WDP its the best paintball gun ever made , im not kiddin it is
eagle8907: thats what ppl say about every new gun
eagle8907: 4 years ago the 2k1 was the best gun ever made
P8ntballer188: 30 bps, super accuracy, no recoil at all, super light 2 lbs to be exact, new bolt design,
P8ntballer188: check it out
eagle8907: accuracy has nothing to do with the bolt design
P8ntballer188: its not open bolt anymore and its not closed bolt its some sort of muteagle8907: the paintball traveling at 300fps will go the same distance as any other paintball traveling 300fps
eagle8907: its been proven over and over again
P8ntballer188: no it wont
eagle8907: how it leaves the gun has nothing to do with it
eagle8907: its all physics
P8ntballer188: ur wrong
eagle8907: nope
P8ntballer188: mi cocker could shoot father than ur mag
eagle8907: do u agree with the paint to barrel match thing
eagle8907: no it couldnt
P8ntballer188: at the same PSI and FPS
P8ntballer188: its closed bolt
P8ntballer188: a mag is open bolt
eagle8907: closed bolt and open bolt does not make a difference, the ball falls into the breech
P8ntballer188: but the bolt hits the paintball in open bolt thus creatin a dissformed paintball
P8ntballer188: a open bolt design arches paintballs down field closed bolt sends em straight out

is he right or am i? i dont kno if all my info is correct and i am eagle8907

[ezrunner]

you are right

Some guns are easier to shoot more accurately
Some are faster
but yes, if you have a good paint to barrel match, say 2 lapco autospirits one on a mag one on a cocker, and shoot the same paint at the same velocity, they should have the same ballistic path. (ie a dropping fall as it travels forward)

So you are right, but...

The A4 Is the best gun ever, so sell your cocker and buy one!

-rob

[Infratracide]

Tell this kid that just because the compact majority that shoots cockers tells him that lie to make themselves feel special, its not true at all. Infact that makes him their tool. Heck, ill tell him, I PMed him about a trade.
I was thinking of trading my 68cu for his 114cu tank. He's all for it. (its a great deal for him, i just wanna bigger tank) Should i not trade with him because he is ... so missinformed?

[sharpshooter1286]

that convo is on aim, im not sure if he is a AO member he prolly is tho ill ask him to make sure

[JEDI]

This arguement is so sickening. Who the F cares. If you're gonna buy a marker based on an arguement you had with a kid on AIM, you're ignorant. I'm gonna shoot you out whether you shoot a cocker, a mag, or a rubber band gun. Most markers now do the same job identically well. They shoot a paintball. Even if this kid comes back, appologizes to you, and tells you you're right, did it improve your gun, or your game in any way? No. So whats the point. Its not even intelligent technical conversation. Its like saying light cigarettes are healthier.

I wish this topic was viewed the same as flaming, and we could just do away with it.

[GT]

all guns ALL fire in the closed bolt position.


Besides why would you buy an IR4 if it doesnt shoot as far as your cocker?

[ezrunner]

Open/Closed

Well, the open closed bolt thing does decrease in significance as the rate of fire goes up.

The amount of time the ball gets to "reform" isn't much at 15bps either way.

Take an AKA Excalibur and an AKA Viking and shoot them side by side with same air system and feeder. I would bet large sums of money you won't find a big difference from a vise rest

Have you seen the A4? It's tiny! They took the Speed, which was already lighter than the IR3, which was lighter than the LCD, and chopped off a half inch on the back and then milled it down.

Anyway, open v/s closed has been argued and disproven many times, ask Mr. Tom Kaye, he has the data to back it up.


-rob

[GT]

Re: Open/Closed

Originally posted by ezrunner

The amount of time the ball gets to "reform" isn't much at 15bps either way.
-rob

[ezrunner]

see first convo

the guy had stated that the ball gets to reform or go back to round. This is a common statement in barrels and guns as far as marketting.

Supposedly the ball deforms as the bolt pushes it into the breech / barrel. With a closed bolt the pause before the ball is fired allows it to return to spherical so that the air hits the perfectly shaped ball.

At 15bps, that amount of time while it sits in the barrel waiting is very very short.

(Basically the statement doesn't stand up).

As far as open v/s closed pick up one of the latest generations of guns and rip off a string from an open bolt gun, ie Angel Speed, Matrix, Timmy, E/X Mag they will all shoot a nice rope of paint one behind the other.

Open v/s Closed should be dead

-rob

[sharpshooter1286]

jedi, are u talking about me or him? im not going to buy ne marker bases on a convo i had on aim, and i really dont like u saying "ur ignorant" and saying other things implying that i dont play well (and tells you you're right, did it improve your gun, or your game in any way? No. So whats the point. ) cuz u sorta missed my point of the post, i was asking a technical question not saying im gonna buy a gun

[Marek]

I wonder what's worse, him believing that cockers shoot farther than mags or that the A4 is the best gun ever made that shoots 30 bps.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by sharpshooter1286
jedi, are u talking about me or him? im not going to buy ne marker bases on a convo i had on aim, and i really dont like u saying "ur ignorant" and saying other things implying that i dont play well (and tells you you're right, did it improve your gun, or your game in any way? No. So whats the point. ) cuz u sorta missed my point of the post, i was asking a technical question not saying im gonna buy a gun

I'm not saying you're ignorant. I was saying he is. I'm not saying you dont play well. But I am saying its retarded for you to even be concerned. Winning the arguement wont get you anywhere. Be concerned with things that will improve your game, and not waste your time. Its an old issue. Tell the dude "whatever man" and be confident that you know what you're talking about.