whats the lastest on the smartparts situation?

[Evil Bob]

Its far from being "over", ICD was the first stepping stone, SP will be going after every company that manufactures an electronic marker.

-Evil Bob

[WARPED1]

Not if they're smart and sign out of court, like NPS and DYE, and now ICD.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by WARPED1
Point is, no suits have been filed. SP has graciously given the other companies to settle out of court.

If SP is so "gracious", then why did they start this whole thing in the first place?

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by automagfreek


If SP is so "gracious", then why did they start this whole thing in the first place?

Because it's thier right as a free enterprise company in the US. If you don't like it, move to a communist nation, like China or Cuba(where everyone gets benefits and money whether they work or not!). You don't have to agree with what they did, just that from a business point of view, they were right to do so.

[spantol]

You know, every defense of Smart Parts I've ever seen has boiled down to some form of Warped1's glib "If you don't like it, move to China." Always something like "They did it, it's over, move on." I've never once seen someone argue that the patent had any intrinsic merit, or that it was obtained in anything remotely approaching an honest manner.

Would you like to take a swing at that, Warped1, or are you content to leave it at "It's a free country?"

[bryceeden]

Originally posted by WARPED1
Point is, no suits have been filed. SP has graciously given the other companies to settle out of court.

SP will not stop untill they have destroyed the electronic marker. They are very power-hungry bunch of morons who will do anything (including lie to thier distrubuters-meaning me-)to get as much time as possible to pull this &%@* patent off.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by spantol
You know, every defense of Smart Parts I've ever seen has boiled down to some form of Warped1's glib "If you don't like it, move to China." Always something like "They did it, it's over, move on." I've never once seen someone argue that the patent had any intrinsic merit, or that it was obtained in anything remotely approaching an honest manner.

Would you like to take a swing at that, Warped1, or are you content to leave it at "It's a free country?"

Like I said, theres nothing you can do. The law is simple, they were smart enough to grab the patent before anyone else did. Was it the right thing to do? Maybe not, all I'm saying is you have to live with it, you don't have to like it. Boycotting SP will do nothing, because the "pros" will not give up thier electros, even if they decide to not shoot SP guns fine. They go and buy a brand new Intimidator, which puts money in SP's pocket is all I'm saying. The only way to do anything, is to lobby lawmakers and get the Patent laws changed and such. Again, it's America, a land of free enterprise, which SP jumped on first. I'm surprised no one else did. It doesn't matter who invented it first, it matters who got the patent first. Therefore, theres no use crying over it. And like I've said, you don't have to like it at all. Was it right for SP to do? From strictly a business standpoint yes. From trying to pull pb world together as a community, probably not, they've done more harm than good there.

[shartley]

Originally posted by bryceeden

SP will not stop untill they have destroyed the electronic marker. They are very power-hungry bunch of morons who will do anything (including lie to thier distrubuters-meaning me-)to get as much time as possible to pull this &%@* patent off.

[WARPED1]

Amen shartley. I swear by my Shocker 4x4. I may get an 03, as I get them at a discount for being a www.shockerowners.com member. All members thier get that discount, not just us mods. Ultimate package for ~$925? Good deal!

[Gadget]

It's a real shame that a company with a dodgy reputation and a questionable patent is able to get in this position simply because no-one is willing to put their own companies future (and money!) on the line and challenge this in court.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with WDP - they're just as aggressive as Smart Parts and I just can't see them rolling over in the meek way that the other companies have.

[personman]

Originally posted by shartley

Destroy the electronic marker? How have they done that?

Sam, you made a mistake in reading his post. He said that smart parts will not stop UNTIL they destroy the electric marker.. just pointing that out.

I personally believe smart parts' actions are selfish. Sure, while it may be a good tactic to use to stay large in an industry, a monopoly is not the best way. I think they would get more money if they actually did some R&D to make a gun that was WORTH BUYING unstead of eliminating all choices, forcing everyone who wants a nice short crisp trigger to buy an impy or a shocker. But then again, there will be other companys who gave into smart parts, to try to save them self, but their prices will most likely be higher than smart parts.

[BajaBoy]

Originally posted by Gadget
It'll be interesting to see what happens with WDP - they're just as aggressive as Smart Parts and I just can't see them rolling over in the meek way that the other companies have.

GO WDP!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Gadget
It's a real shame that a company with a dodgy reputation and a questionable patent is able to get in this position simply because no-one is willing to put their own companies future (and money!) on the line and challenge this in court.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with WDP - they're just as aggressive as Smart Parts and I just can't see them rolling over in the meek way that the other companies have.

Originally posted by personman

Sam, you made a mistake in reading his post. He said that smart parts will not stop UNTIL they destroy the electric marker.. just pointing that out.

I personally believe smart parts' actions are selfish. Sure, while it may be a good tactic to use to stay large in an industry, a monopoly is not the best way. I think they would get more money if they actually did some R&D to make a gun that was WORTH BUYING unstead of eliminating all choices, forcing everyone who wants a nice short crisp trigger to buy an impy or a shocker. But then again, there will be other companys who gave into smart parts, to try to save them self, but their prices will most likely be higher than smart parts.

[personman]

Originally posted by shartley

Of corse there are. But my point is, their prices go up, while smart parts' prices stay the same. No one wants a $2000 dollar gun so naturally they go with the $400 impulse.

[shartley]

Originally posted by personman

Of corse there are. But my point is, their prices go up, while smart parts' prices stay the same. No one wants a $2000 dollar gun so naturally they go with the $400 impulse.