What is wrong with SP?

[hitech]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
they have yet to take action on anything besides threatening to TAKE action.

They most certainly have taken action. Filing a lawsuit is taking action. Winning that lawsuit is a result of taking action.

It seems to me that "someone" should sue them for fraudulently obtaining the patent "update". Leaving out information they know to be relevant seems like it qualifies as fraud to me. Then again, I'm not a patent attorney.

[WARPED1]

Yes, no company has been significantly affected. ICD payed the fee and will make that back and more in less than a year, maybe a little more. The game will not change, none of the big name will go out of business. Who knows about small gun makers, but not many will care, as long as they can get thier Timmies and Angels.
Obviously WGP won't be affected, AGD might feel it, but if they learned how to market their cool products better, they wouldn't worry at all.
DYE and NPS and ICD have settled out of court, so they can carry on. I bet WDP folds, and AGD should too.
Maybe what SP is doing sucks for the "brotherhood" feeling of the sport, maybe you even think it's wrong..... but guess what? It doesn't matter. All who have complained fail to realize that by law, SP is well within thier rights. You don't have to like it, but you do have to deal with it. My suggestion is to just drop it and concentrate on good news, like getting Dick Clark going in the right direction for getting XBall televised. He had some good thiongs to say yesterday, bad ones too tho.

[felony]

there is something good with smart parts?

dan

[fcpchop]

wow, some of u r very ignorant, i swear u should have sence beat into u. umm sure they didn't do anything i hate when u people say that, u act as nothing is happening when sp is riping paintball apart u people dont understand if people keep giving into Sp and signing contracts with them prices will rise that = bad! what they r doing is incredably f***ed up, Have u ever stopped and think about how tom could of patented many things but he didn't, as did many other people, do u know y??? because they put the greater good of the sport in front of their wallet, unlike SP who r power hunger fools who just want money and r going to kill the sport. We gotta boycott SP if not then it will be like we r saying it is ok to do what they r doing. and its not

[fcpchop]

hehehe they got the nicknames of the paintball NAZIS, and hitler and the nazis tried to take over europe the same way sp is tring to do it, the took smalls steps, a little change here and there, with sp it is a law suit here and there, and they work their way up until they get all control, hehehehehe and just like with the nazis, people knew what was happening but no one did ne thing about it, but not here, we gotta stop them in their tracks

[~WarpedRT#2~]

spantol, lay off Warped1, he has his opinions. I see tons of people over this board with "we hate nazis" in their sigs. Now if that isnt voicing their opinion EVERTIME THEY POST, then I dont know what is. He only says somehting about when he is confronted with it. It's not like he saying, "Yeah I like thos grips. Oh and I love Smart Parts."

Like I said before, I dont see how this will affect your normal play, and I have said that before. You wont notice anything different. Now if I start to see Bushmasters with a Crosshair logo on it, they have gone too far, but I dont think that will happen. In the end, all the mag fanatics have their RT Pros, and can still play, and still be able to keep up with high end electros.

Heres how I see it. Even if prices of guns go up, say $100, thats not really that much. People who spend over $1000 on a gun, and have several of them dont really care about an extra $100. Would it make a real difference if an Angel were $100 more? Not really, because they start out at $1200. People are now used to seeing such high prices on guns. The Adrenaline Angel was like $1700. If you spend that much, you had better not be a penny pincher when it comes to $100 more. If you were willing to pay $1700 opr even $1000, you sure have enough money to throw around.

More than any other company, I hope WDP comes out of this ok. I also like ICD.

[hitech]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
...Even if prices of guns go up, say $100, thats not really that much.

I'm glad you don't think that is much. I think it is a lot. Regardless, I believe that SP gained their patent "update" fraudulently. That is enough for me to "hate" them. Also, waiting until the market is full of electronic markers that they cannot compete with is enough to make me "hate" them. But I guess it took them quite a few trys before they thought of leaving out vital information in there patent "update" request. That is enough to make me "hate" them.

They have done plenty already. And you know what, it's just beginning...

[Wc Keep]

i really could care less what sp does. i used several of their products and i like them very much. what they are doing has in no way effected me yet. and until it does i aint gonna stress.

[Spartan X]

To every one wondering what side to take..

Does any one know who Doc is? You knoe the airsmith that can make anything? Do you respect him? He has a couple articals on this subject, he puts it very well.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
Heres how I see it. Even if prices of guns go up, say $100, thats not really that much. People who spend over $1000 on a gun, and have several of them dont really care about an extra $100. Would it make a real difference if an Angel were $100 more? Not really, because they start out at $1200. People are now used to seeing such high prices on guns. The Adrenaline Angel was like $1700. If you spend that much, you had better not be a penny pincher when it comes to $100 more. If you were willing to pay $1700 opr even $1000, you sure have enough money to throw around.

More than any other company, I hope WDP comes out of this ok. I also like ICD.

that is a vey valid argument for $1000+ guns. what about spyder and tippmans? I realise, alot of people dont like them, but they outsell EVERYBODY else in volume. a $60 spyder that jumps to $160 overnight is a VERY big impact on the market.

to everybody that thinks that SP is not hurting the paintball market, maybe they aren't right this minute. but ICD sold out to NPS, DYE and NPS signed "agreements and settlements" with SP over this. this will not be absorbed by them, it will be passed along to the consmer. saying "I wont care until it effects me" will be too late. by then there is nothing you can do about it.

[hardr0ck68]

LOL their were issues LONG before the legal crap, i have been boycotting them ever since i tried to buy replacement parts for a max flow.
SP=tools
i will never own another one of their products, ever.

[PyRo]

Whats wrong with SP?
Damn corrupt patent lawyer is still alive, thats whats wrong.

[Sir_Brass]

the Feds made a mistake by not putting that corrupt patent lawyer in prison when he got caught the first time. now he's using his company (Smart Parts) to pull off an even bigger farce that'll just hurt us and make his pockets bigger.

that's enough for me to resolve to not put any of my hard earned money into his greedy pockets.


Oh, and if anyone has enough power and enough $$ to stare down smart parts, is BE since they just merged with a multi BILLION dollar sports equipment distributor (forgot the name at the moment). If anyone is going to challenge SP, it's going to be BE.

[hockaloogey]

i hate Smart Parts as much as the next guy, but it seems like the "boycott" didn't go too well. the guys i see trash talking it at my school or online are the same guys who show up w/ SP jerseys, markers, etc.

you can't really have just noticed this, its been going on ever since people realized what crap smart parts is