AGD needs some Feedback on this Ad

[Wheelman]

I like that one, straight to the point. I don't understand why people keep saying it need advertisments for the E-Mag and flatline etc. I've already seen plenty of two page ads for AGD's markers and there great, but they aren't trying to sell them here (other than in classifieds) They are trying to sell a website. Shartley shows that, if Tom wanted an ad for AGD than filling up an entire page with E-mags and what not just might be tolerable.

[Shaft]

I don't want AGD to sell the website directly. Sell it by association.

If the Matrix people had an ad for a forum where I could speak to Matrix techs, the Matrix president himself and so on... well I wouldn't check it out. I don't own a Matrix gun so I wouldn't feel compelled to go to a forum about them.

If the Matrix folks had an ad for a new gun and some other gear along with a brief mention of some site called matrixnewstuff.org or something then I'd be more compelled to visit.

Thus why I feel AGD should stick with marketing the guns.

[shartley]

Shaft
Good points.... that is why IF Tom runs an Ad for AO, it should be clear that AO is MORE than just a forum for AGD Products... sure that is the focus, but it is much more. I think the contests, other interests, etc. is the selling point.

I can think of many sites that I have visited just because the Ad looked nice, or was compelling.... even if I did not own the product or planned on owning it. It is the curiosity aspect that draws... then you hope the actual site (or forum) finishes the "sell" for you. (Like I tell folks... I can get them to pick up your product(s), but YOU have to make sure it is worth them KEEPING it.)

I am very happy to see more thoughts coming from people. It is refreshing.

Personally, my only real concern is not IF Tom runs an ad for AO, or his Equipment, etc., but that whatever he runs be done correctly and EFFECTIVELY. That is why I will stay out of the "Should Tom run an Ad."... and stick to "If he does, it should be done right.".

[BobCon]

Ok I might as well throw my two pennies in:
How many PBers actually buy/read Magazines ? Instead of one or two page Ad how about one big poster Sent to all Fields and Stores The Center of the Ad being a tech pic of the extreme. All PBers like to look at guns and see how they work. For any Ad to work it has to get to the intended market. A poster will be around a lot longer than any Ad in a magazine. Although the expense will be higher it will last Years in some places as opposed to days

[pito189]

I believe a lot of paintballers actually buy/read magazines. They are usually a great source of information, if you don't mind it being alittle outdated, and mostly about tournaments and big games.

[sajohnston]

It has been burning inside of me

Ever since Tom's first post and reference to a SH-60B Blackhawk as an attack helicopter a small fire has been growing deep inside...

You see there are only two Attack Helicopters in current service: the mighty AH64 Apache and the proven AH1 Cobra. Calling anything else a gunship or attack helicopter is blasphemy! A helicopter that seats more than 2 is a glorified taxi; Any helicopter that has trouble getting off the ground with seven rockets and a minigun is a scout guy with "barrel envy!"

Glad that is off my chest! Remember: Friends don't let friends fly Lift!

BTW a SH-60 is a "Seahawk" most commonly used for Anti Sub Warfare, etc. We have a detachment of These "LAMPS" birds out of Japan we operate with from time to time.

[FaSSt]

Re: It has been burning inside of me

Originally posted by sajohnston
...A helicopter that seats more than 2 is a glorified taxi....

What about the Mil Mi-24? You may see a few wrecked ones around Afghanistan.

[Failure]

That thing looks like huge fly

[sajohnston]

Like I said- TAXI!!

That thing is the pig boat of pig boats. The first ones were so underpowered they lacked the ability to make coordinated left turns (staying in trim which requires tail rotor authority at low speeds). The fact is that you can hang guns on a dump truck and call it a gunship, but it is still a dump truck.

The Hind IS A GOOD multipurpose aircraft in its current configuration. By this I mean it can do a number of missions (cargo, lift and close air support) reasonably well. But in effect it does not excel at any of them either. Its weapons are Vietnam era, meaning their guns/rockets don't receive much guidance assistance, sensors are poor and they still predominantly use wire-guided anti tank missiles. Because of ordinance or provisions for it it is limited on passenger/cargo space.

The Russian Helicopter I would love to work out is either the KA50 (single seat) or KA52 (tandem seat) HOKUM (aka Alligator). Basically an anti-helicopter helicopter. Very cool indeed!

[Shaft]

See Tom,
Folks would rather duct tape machine guns to a dump truck than look at that ad. ;-)
Maybe you should work that into it.
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