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[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan


You got banned for threatening the mod staff. You were IP banned after we removed your THIRD account.

i dont remember threatening the mod staff. would you please enlighten me?

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016
i dont remember threatening the mod staff. would you please enlighten me?

You told KK that we would pay for warning you.

cphilip - Don't play this 'holier than thou' junk with us. I close every single thread I see insulting any other paintball forum in the places I moderate, for many of the same reasons you just spouted off. It's a courtesy thing to do, and leaves our site cleaner of this filth.

-You kinda crazy trying to take the moral high road now. I not buyin it!-

Me either. If you believed what you said, this thread wouldn't even be here.

[Clare]

I would challenge Havoc and Capo... but they always mop the floor with me.

woah, wait! If I recall correctly from the last time we played, it wasn't Havoc who mopped the floor with you.

Aw c'mon, I had to take this shining opportunity!

[cphilip]

No indeed! thats wrong. Closing every thread that critisizes another site is just plain wrong in its base in so many ways. It's not a good criteria to use. Moderation involves complex thought and consideration. Not some arbitrary decission by one person. Closing a thread that unfairly slanders or is false is a good criteria. But you just said you didn't look that far. Thats just plain lazy is what it is. And its not good moderation. You are acting on a theme that is not good for the general membership if your not willing to go the extra mile and do some research. Its good to listen to complaints. It makes us reflect. It makes us make changes for the better if need be. If your not willing to put the effort in then your a Mod Nazi if you chose to arbitrarily impose such rules. We don't agree with that sort of thing here. Ask Tom how many threads are critical of AGD that are allowed here on AO! EVERY DAY. We allow them. We even allow threads critisizing the Mods! Thats one of the things that MAKES US BETTER! You just have not learned that!

And you came here and immediately attacked "ALL" the Members here by claiming superiority. Not me. I did not do that...you did. That is something a Mod would not do. It's suicide for one thing. You have so far insulted most of my members here without any just cause. You could have come and attacked one of your previous members that is trashing you here...but you chose the lower form.

You as a Mod need to be educated that when your attacked on some other forum and you feel you need to react to that then there is a Gentlemans protocol that is followed. It is to contact an Admin of that particular Forum and discuss it in private with him. But you chose a public attack and a public display of disrespect so you get what you deserve. THATS WHY THIS IS STILL HERE! You chose that path not me. So deal with it.

I, as a Mod here, respect my members and will not close a thread where another sites Mods come here and counter attack ALL of them and act superior. You did that. You shouldn't have! You asked for a dose of bitter medicine so now don't be coming to me and yelling foul. You made the first mistake. And continue to deny it I see. And yet I allow you to continue to step on your own um...well...tounge. Only you can stop that.

I personaly take offense when my members are steriotyped and condemed. I will not tolerate it and I will not aid you in hiding behind that personal attack that SHOULD have never come here if you had chosen to not disrespect my members. When you have experience keeping 16K users in line I listen to you. In the mean time you got a lot of learning to do. So I suggest you quit trying to play the hurt and righteous on this one. The evidence above disproves that. Its not a position you can defend anymore. Your just flat out wrong on how you delt with it and where you delt with it. And who you chose to steriotype in the process.

Again I offer an Olive Branch but if you do not help yourself by looking at your own actions I gonna let you sink. Thats the AO way.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by CaPoEiRa


woah, wait! If I recall correctly from the last time we played, it wasn't Havoc who mopped the floor with you.

Aw c'mon, I had to take this shining opportunity!

If you weren't there he would have. :)

[pbcustom98]

Originally posted by CaPoEiRa


woah, wait! If I recall correctly from the last time we played, it wasn't Havoc who mopped the floor with you.

Aw c'mon, I had to take this shining opportunity!

take it easy Claire..no reason to back down now!

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by cphilip
No indeed! thats wrong. Closing every thread that critisizes another site is just plain wrong in its base in so many ways. It's not a good criteria to use. Moderation involves complex thought and consideration. Not some arbitrary decission by one person. Closing a thread that unfairly slanders or is false is a good criteria. But you just said you didn't look that far. Thats just plain lazy is what it is. And its not good moderation. You are acting on a theme that is not good for the general membership if your not willing to go the extra mile and do some research. Its good to listen to complaints. It makes us reflect. It makes us make changes for the better if need be. If your not willing to put the effort in then your a Mod Nazi if you chose to arbitrarily impose such rules. We don't agree with that sort of thing here. Ask Tom how many threads are critical of AGD that are allowed here on AO! EVERY DAY. We allow them. We even allow threads critisizing the Mods! Thats one of the things that MAKES US BETTER! You just have not learned that!

I never said we don't close threads that criticize us... they're there all the time. I said I close threads that criticize other forums... as they are often unfounded, biased, and the other party can not defend themselves. If they did come to our forums to do that, I would certainly treat them better than this.

But alas! I have seen the error of my ways! Whomever wants to start up an AO hate thread will receive praise from me! I will sticky it! Oh, hope I never fail again!

(and yes... that was sarcastic)




Really, I don't care. It's your forums, you can live by whatever rules you want. You can contradict your values if you want. I don't care. However, where I am the mod, our rules and my values will always be used as my guide. Do I expect you to care? Apparently not. But don't you dare judge me for upholding them.


BTW - I never once spoke ill towards AO. I only pointed out that we never received said "challenge", for the most part we don't care, and that this whole discussion is petty and pointless.



**EDIT - Oh, and for the record... swat150 was never banned from PBR. He has six total posts, one of which was his post refrencing this thread.

[cphilip]

I think we coming to some common ground then.

Did you notice the part where I suggested you should have contacted me with details as to why the thread was unfounded? And you have not

Did you miss the part where I would have closed it if that were so? And still I have no argument to that effect.

Did you have to come and immediately attack ALL members here as being inferior to yours? And did. And that was what invoked so much animosity?

Did you miss the fact that I have allowed you to argue with me with no reprecussions?

I agree that we could have handled this better. But some of that would have come from you initial actions. That I cannot control.

You need to appologize to my members for generalizing your attitude towords them. And tell me what this particular member did to cause him to try and slander you. Those things would be a start. And I am sure we can come to an agreement that this was unessicary if we had all the facts before it was taken to public forum. You seem like a reasonable fella to me.

And agian I openly invite you to attend our event and come here as often as you like. I got nothing against your forum at all. I just am protective of my own members is all. I should be that way. It's my job.

[swat150]

OMG PBR closed my thread. Well, I guess dictator ship is practiced omong there.

[cphilip]

LOL.. even though I know your just being a smart arse... I just will say....You would be suprised how many times I hear that myself here.

[UTLadiesMan]

I think we coming to some common ground then.

Did you notice the part where I suggested you should have contacted me with details as to why the thread was unfounded? And you have not

Did you miss the part where I would have closed it if that were so? And still I have no argument to that effect.

You said to contact the admin instead of attacking. I still maintain that it is your staff's call to make. Not mine. I still say that if you believed in what you say you do, you would have made the call... however I will not try to force you to. Also, I haven't attacked this site. I said there was no challenge, this arguement was asinine (which is becoming more and more apparent as we continue), told p8ntball1016 why he was banned, joked with Capo, and have disagreed with you. I could understand you saying that I had attacked you personally, but not this site. I do not believe that is evident.


Did you have to come and immediately attack ALL members here as being inferior to yours? And did. And that was what invoked so much animosity?

Again, what now? All I have done is defend and without flaming. Look at your pristine member's quotes on the other hand.

Originally posted by Army
PBReview has it's good points, one of those is the "X" in the top right corner
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Besides, AO should make it their duty to join all these "other" sites, get into the Automag forums, and make sure 'Mag truth is maintained....and to direct people here:)

Sounds like someone thinks they're superior....

Originally posted by spydervenom
let x represent anything

x>pbr
ao>x
therefore(imagine a triangle of dots)
ao>pbr

Originally posted by pbcustom98
no, PBR sucks.

Then there's FooTemps who thinks we suck because we didn't respond to a challenge apparently made in invisible ink. (not that we would have anyway, I can't speak for our members)

Originally posted by FooTemps
Pbreview is a joke! They didn't show at last year's AO meet here when we CHALLENGED THEM.

Originally posted by FooTemps
lol, pbr is full of chicken-wimps... They chickened out on our challenge for the AO-WA meet last year... I would post a file on here but it's a bit harsh towards pbr, and I have no clue where to host it...

Originally posted by FooTemps
lol...

Caleb, I still say pbr is full of chicken wimps since no one showed at our challenge last year.

Yet another member who is feeling superior...

Did you miss the fact that I have allowed you to argue with me with no reprecussions?

We could at PBR as well. Our members openly disagree with us often. It's not until they become a disruption or threaten us do they receive discipline.

I agree that we could have handled this better. But some of that would have come from you initial actions. That I cannot control.

Yes we could have... yet I still maintain I have said nothing wrong.

You need to appologize to my members for generalizing your attitude towords them. And tell me what this particular member did to cause him to try and slander you. Those things would be a start. And I am sure we can come to an agreement that this was unessicary if we had all the facts before it was taken to public forum. You seem like a reasonable fella to me.

I try to be. As far as swat150... I have no idea what we've done. Likely nothing, as re-reading his posts, this may have been completely inadvertant. As far as gereralizing my attitudes, I have not. I can take constructive criticizism with the best of them. It's unfounded bias and insults that I can not stand.

And agian I openly invite you to attend our event and come here as often as you like. I got nothing against your forum at all. I just am protective of my own members is all. I should be that way. It's my job.

I can admire that. As far as being here... I've been here for quite some time, and have read many good threads on here in the past. I don't reply often as I have little online forum time anymore. (I'm sure you can appreciate why) Also, I've been to... I think 4? AO events here in Texas. Which is all I can normally get to. Usually the best days of paintball I get.



Anyway, I have to get to a Physics test. Back in 3 hours.

[cphilip]

I could not have known you would even come here and say the things you did before the fact. Nor even know who you are. Your introduction was only in the middle of it. So I can hardly be expected to contact you about it. I DIDN'T know!

So yea indeed telling my members they are patently narrow minded just because they love to interact on AO is indee flat out wrong. No one here made that accusation towords you site. The only thing I see is the accusation that you allow too much flamming and such. I don't care to even judge that. You can defend that part but so far you chose to just attack not defend. And you chose to do it in public. I still not recieved any private messages or emails from you about ANYTHING. And since you are the only one that knows your coming here or that your going to respond here then its YOUR reponsibility to do the contacting. Not mine.

But yea we cool. I realy would love for some of you guys to make it out there. You can even put up your own banner and form your own teams if you like. That could be great fun!

[swat150]

Hey Cphilip, Should I delete this thread. Im sorry if i caused some problems. I will delete it on your command.

LONG LIVE AO

[cphilip]

Well no I would not ask you to do that. But I want you to reflect on why it is you wanted to start it. But in the end we making some good new friends here I think. I kinda like these guys so far! They good people I think. You might not have done the right things but they here to socailize and we getting to know them. And in the end thats good. So it might just turn out alright afterall! I always assume it will.

[swat150]

Lol, Great. It always turns out great.