where can I get a trigger stop?

[triggerman]

I want to take the slop out of my trigger pull. does any one know where i can get /or can any one put a trigger stop screw im my mag frame. Like a lot of people used to do with the auto response frames.

[CaliMagFan]

Trigger slop

Hey there... i have a 68 automag with stock carbon trigger frame. i dont think there is a need for a trigger stop with mags because the trigger stops when the on/off pin is pushed to its fullest. my tigger has next to no slop, maybe 1/32 inch of movement when the gun is gassed up. some people like to unscrew the tigger rod enough so that the trigger is essenitially "being pulled" 1/16" - 1/8" when the trigger is at its full, unpulled state. I dont personally reccomend this because the extra 1/8" pull will not hurt me like all the chuffing and shortstroking that happens with that "trigger rod mod". i do have an aftermarket double trigger that was installed by the guy i bought it from... the only thing that i notice slop-wise, is that i have about 1/8" of side to side play to either side... i recently thought that i might put some flat teflon washers on either side of the trigger- mounted inside the rail at the sear pin. htis might give less slop and also, a very smoth suface for the trigger to move along... ok long post... enough said...

btw.. that was my first post...

later... good luck.

[Eric Cartman]

I found that I had extra play in my trigger after I installed the ULT kit, so I drilled and countersunk a hole in my rail right in front of the existing slot. I took a small screw and filed the head flat. This screw comes in contact with the top of the trigger when it is pulled. This gives me an adjustable rear trigger stop that takes out all of the extra play, but still allows the gun to cycle properly. I just bought a ghetto digital camera, so I'll try to take a pic and post it when I get home.

[CaliMagFan]

trigger stop

luke...
the trigger stop is the on/off pin as it attaches to the sear assembly.... when you adjust the trigger rod (like people say you shouldnt- why is that?) the tigger may "stop" closer or further from the handle of the grip... but if you dont pull mag trigger all the way to the max push of the on/off pin, dont you run into trigger problems?... maybe i am just mmissinformed and i havent payed close enough attention to my trigger pull... i am gong to play for several hours at the new KAPP field in california tomorrow morning tho... there i will check out where in the travel of the trigger the maximum effective position for the on/off pin is... maybe its not when it's all the way in... but i think its right there if not perfect... anyways...

thats my $.02

[triggerman]

i need somthing simmilar to what cartman did. I am using a ule trigger kit too. post the pics when you can. thanks

[Jerhew]

ok here's how i did it...(i run an i-frame with ult, lx and retrovalve)
this may be slightly more work than you'd like to do, but the pros to this method is that you can adjust it without taking everything apart.

i took my trigger out of the frame and drilled straight through the trigger guard and through the front side of the grip(i didn't go through from the back because i didnt want to feel the hole in the back of the grip). then i enlarged the hole in the trigger guard so i could stick the proper size tap through it and into the grip. once tapped i installed a set screw into the frame(with the allen head facing inside the grip)
then after you put the trigger back in, you can hook everything up(leave the grips off, start with the set screw flush inside the frame and adjust it outward to limit the rear travel of the trigger(a rear stop seems more useful than a front one)
IMPORTANT: make sure that you don't shorten it to the point where the gun doesnt cycle completely(i even left an extra mm, just to be sure)...apparently you'll end up chipping your bolt if you go too crazy with it)

for me it was definitely worth the effort, my pull is probably less than half the length of stock and of course about 1/3 the weight due to the ult.

other things you should know...
~~~with this trigger stop you have to push the trigger rod in before you can pull out the valve when fieldstripping...since the trigger no longer goes in all the way to push the on/off pin all the way up into the carrier. this is easily done with a small allen key, so no biggie.
~~~remember that there is a right and wrong way to push the trigger pin out. If you've pounded the pin out more than say 2-3 mm and it still doesnt fall out, you pushed it the wrong way. i think the correct way is from left to right(looking at it from the rear)
~~~i had to cut down an allen key a bit to be able to adjust my trigger stop. no big deal, just thought id mention it.
~~~make sure you do the drilling with a drill press, it has to go in perfectly straight...
you also need the proper sized tap, proper size drill bit for that tap, a small punch to push out the trigger pin, and probably a dremel tool(atleast for cutting the allen key down)
i can try to get some pics if you want, let me know...
i think thats just about everything...
have fun

[Eric Cartman]

Sorry for the shabby pic quality

I just bought a ghetto digital camera, so I'll try to take a pic and post it when I get home.

I did say it was a ghetto camera

with this trigger stop you have to push the trigger rod in before you can pull out the valve when fieldstripping...since the trigger no longer goes in all the way to push the on/off pin all the way up into the carrier. this is easily done with a small allen key, so no biggie

I experience the same thing. It was good of Jerhew to mention it. I had thought of doing mine the same way he did his, but I wanted mine to be invisible externally.
Either way will work fine.

Cheers.

OK I can't post the picture, so look here:

http://ca.f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jandjdevlin/lst?.dir=/My+Documents/trigger+stop&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//ca.f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jandjdevlin/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bDocuments/trigger%2bstop%26.src=bc%26.view=l

[RagingFalcon]

Im pretty ignorant when it comes to modifications and mags since i just got into them but wouldnt this also work?

drilling a hole and threading it in the actual trigger itself and putting a screw with an allen wrench head through that hole extending past the back of the trigger hitting the grip itself. I remember that was how the trigger pull was adjusted in the e-blades. I dont see why it woulnt work here either.

I thought of putting one on the top of the trigger just like in the e-blades to control how far the trigger comes back when it resets but it looks like the safety wouldnt work. with a ULT i dont want to run the risk of firing all the time because of no safety.

If anybody can figure out a way to limit the travel past what the trigger needs to reset with the safety still functioning plz post.

BTW im using a Y-grip which im sure makes a difference.

[Eric Cartman]

Raging Falcon, what you're suggesting would work as well. You can still put a stop in at the top of the trigger. It's close to the safety, but there's no contact. My safety still works fine. I've got an Intelliframe as opposed to a Y grip, but it looks as though the safety's still in the same location judging by the pics at the online store.

[RagingFalcon]

well what im refering to is that if i put the stop to take away the play when the trigger is reset the trigger is slightly pressed and the safety will not engage. i have to let the trigger go all the way back for the safety to engage. hmmm maybe if i trim the safety it will work. Do they sell the safety pins just in case i .. (no wait, its more like ....) Do they sell safety pins for WHEN i mess this one up..

As for the other part the stop to how far the trigger can be pulled. what is the best way to take off the trigger. I havent tried but it seems easy (pop the pin that holds the trigger out and out comes the trigger). Also what is the trigger made out of. im thinking from the weight its aluminium.

Geez the more i think about this mod i the more i want to do it. I should be able to drill the trigger next week when i go to my dads house for thanksgiving he has a drill press.

[Jerhew]

ok i also put a front stop in the top of my frame but the reason i didnt mention it is because it's not worth the effort IMO
and where i put mine, it interferes with the front gripframe screw... i just ended up taking it out...

as far as putting a set screw in the trigger itself...
one thing to remember is then you have a screw hole in your trigger
it can be uncomfortable depending on where you put it
i also don't think you'll be able to get as much adjustability(though i could be mistaken)
i personally wouldnt go that route

if you actually have access to a drill press and are taking the trigger out anyway, i think you'd be better off doing it the way i did. just be careful, use a sharp bit, use the right bit for the tap you're gonna use, clamp the grip down and make sure it's lined up right

the trigger is aluminum btw

the best way to remove your trigger would be a hydraulic press and some sort of pin or punch that's a smaller diameter than the trigger pin

or you can pound it out with a hammer and punch
its a little less graceful and you could ugly up your grip if you aren't careful, but it works

like i said before just remember to push it from the left side of the frame(looking at if from the back)
ok in fact you might want to confirm that before doing it, it's been awhile... i just remember you can only do it from one side(as i did it from the wrong side at first and learned the hard way )

[RagingFalcon]

After i posted i noticed that i didnt need the front stop, just lengthen the rod to reach the trigger in the most foward position and adjusting the trigger stop from there. but i noticed that in that position it didnt leave much room for fingers in the trigger guard. so i think i will put that front stop so that the trigger will be closer to the grip and leaving more room for my fingers. But then I will have to trim that safety pin. Again i will be doing it with the screw in a hole at the top of the trigger like the e-blades.

As far as the hole in the trigger i dont think I will mind it. My E-orracle has the the hole exactly where i plan to put it on this trigger and it never bothered me.

So i guess im going to do it my way. Worst case senerio and i jack up the trigger ill try and just get a new trigger and follow your route Jerhew.

Thanks for the info though I didnt know the pin had to be taken out in a certain direction. ( I probably would have figured that one out just like you after 2 hours of pulling my hair)

[Jerhew]

you'll see when you take the pin out...
there's grooves on one side of the pin that hold it in place...once you clear those grooves, the pin just falls out...
but if you go the wrong way, you have to knock the side with the grooves all the way through the other side...in other words
if you go the right way, you have to force it for i'd say between 1/8"- 1/4"...after that it'll just drop out
if you go the wrong way, you end up having to force it the whole way through

whatever you do though
just make sure that the adjustments don't prevent your marker from cycling completely or you'll be sorry

[Eric Cartman]

Sorry Falcon, I didn't realize you were talking about a front stop. I would definitely not recommend altering the safety in any way. Adjusting the trigger rod is also considered to be a big no no as that can mess with way that the gun cycles. I'd suggest just putting in a rear trigger stop and see how that works. I think you'll find that no further modifications are necessary.

whatever you do though just make sure that the adjustments don't prevent your marker from cycling completely or you'll be sorry

Couldn't have said that any better. Words to live by

[RagingFalcon]

Hmm once two people both strongly encourage me not to do something, I start to really think about going through with it. I think ill hold off on doing the front stop.

But, Im still going through with the rear stop and ill take your advice on leaving it as that but if there is still too much play ill go ahead and put that front stop on.

I dont think im messing up the trigger rod (though I could be mistaken) (Come to think about it is that the correct name for that peice?) All im doing is screwing it in or out of the sear making it shorter... Im not actually cutting it...

But since I wont be making the front stop it looks like i wont need to mess with that piece.

Thanks for all the info though, I'll try to be carefull but as we all know history will repeat itself and ill jack something up again. Just hopefully not this time.