Well this sounds like crap. Who wants a rubber bolt. Plus whats to say that it takes the same shape after it hits a half fed paintball. Then you have a misshapen bolt, and i didn't think that rubber was a really smooth material to be used as a bolt.
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I think you've got it right there. Also, how would the composition of a material affect how hard a ball is hit? Wouldn't it be stuck by the same force if a ball was hit by a feather going 100mph or a brick at 100mph? Maybe the mass.........Originally posted by LaW
Where in the marker is there space for the bolt to deform that much?Comment
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Here is a little video for you guys. Should clear things up a bit. (note that this is not the production bolt, only a prototype. Production bolt will be much nicer.)
VIDEO HERE
Andrew
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The mass does make a difference.Originally posted by Halliday
. . . . . Maybe the mass.........
F=M*V^2
While the decreased desity of rubber over delrin or aluminum will lead to a lower force due to the reduced mass, as you can see by the equation, velocity makes much more difference.
I bet the soft face will help some though, even if for no other reason than it is more blunt than the delrin or alum alternative.
I've also got a question for the guys at OTB - Would these bolts seal as well as an alum/oring bolt, but not wear the body of your marker?
If so, I think you guys have hit on a useful product, even if it doesn't stop chops. I don't doubt that it would help with chopping as well.Ryan Shanks
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Looks neat!
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That looks pretty cool.
Judging by the vid, it most certainly does work. As for the bolt getting deformed over time, it is possible. Then again, are you really planning on having the bolt hit a half fed ball that often? I'm guessing if it does deform, it could still probably hold up for a year or more. And if OTB is smart, the tips are removeable (then you could buy a pack of 2 or 3 tips, or something like that).Converge KillsComment
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something is up with that vid. if you watch closely, the video cuts just before he pulls the trigger and breaks the ball. And does he even pull the trigger when the 'blind' bolt is in there? It looks like he puts the ball in the breech, and then removes the rubber thing.
I'll be impressed when i see a gun shooting at 20bps full auto without chops. Either that, or have someone put a tongue in the breech.Comment
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I like it.
When are you gunna make one for my Typhoon?[*img]http://userpic.livejournal.com/11885469/469200[/img]
Filesize too large- Tato
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20 bucks says TK is laughing out loud right now...
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Good concept, looks like it might work, but I have a few worries. In the case of excessive pinching, couldn't the tip become deformed? If it was deformed, (and possibly not deformed), couldn't the soft rubber flex differently enough on each shot to not seal perfectly. This could lead to decreased consistency over the chrono. The video would be much better if you showed that it was capable of sustaining a consistant string of paint before you showed that it doesen't chop. That way we all know that the marker is running high enough pressure to actually shoot paint and not chop. Without that some people might accuse you of setting the marker up so it will chop with the stock bolt, and not chop with yours, reguardless of wether or not it is capable of actually shooting paint to speed.
Interesting, though. I'll have to keep my eyes on this one.Cobalt DM4
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There are allot of concerns brought up here.
First one, "20 bucks says TK is laughing out loud right now..." Tom help me our here I know you know thats not true.
Second, the weight of the elastomer used on the tip of the bolt is much lighter than delrin.
Third, there is no friction because the seal between the breach and the bolt tip isn't constant. The bolt is undersized and the tip is tapered. Thin at the front and larger where it meets the delrin. When pressure builds behind the ball the elastomer expands and creates a better than o-ring seal because it fits the form of the breach.
As for the video the cut on the stock bolt is because we fired it and it pushed the ball up and out of the breach because it wasn't half way in the breach so we cut it there. We all know a Impulse with a delrin bolt doesn't stop on a ball very often but I garuntee our bolt stops on the ball every time.
Almost forgot the elastomer we are using has almost no memory. It is NOT a rubber it is a plastic. I could go into the differences but it really doesn't matter. Your grips you use there not rubber, and most anything flexible isn't really rubber its plastic, known as an elastomer. The elastomer we are using has virtually no memory, most guns that this bolt is made for would only really put constant pressure on the rubber during a breach pinch for only 5-30 milliseconds at tops. This is not enough time for the elastomer to bend and stay in place. The elastomer we are using would take in this situation about 10-15 minutes to be affected, and even at that length of time it probably wouldn't be affected enough to require a replacement.
These tips are replaceable and exchangeable for different diameter tips
I understand the concepts this bolt applies are hard to understand. Most paintball knowledge tells you that something like this doesn't work, but we know it does. We are using manufacturing techniques, and applying ideas that work OUTSIDE of paintball. Why limit?Comment
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wouldn't rubber get worn down after a while?
the lx bolt keeps on going and going
i wont belive it till i see 20bps no chops or tongue in the breech, like you guys saidI knew not what I did but am now edumacatedComment
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Forgot to mention this bolt isn't meant for mags, the level 10 obviously has the mags covered props to Tom on that.
This bolt is meant for guns without something like the level 10 available. Most eyes work MOST of the time and heck some guns don't offer eyes so there is most defiantly people in need of a chopping solution.Comment
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