Airsoft - What do You Think?

[cledford]

Keep 'em seperate - airsoft is lame and to tell you the truth I see a lot of "trench coat mafia" types into it. If scenario paintball has an image problem (which I think is stupid - anti-paintballers will always be against the sport regardless of what type of clothing we do or don't wear) then the last thing we need is the airsost stuff making things worse. Also, paintballers already are challaged by the "honor system."

My idea was a blinding of the 2. Have a lazer-tagish maze with refs on top up on cat walks. Send 2 squads of 5, 10 or what ever in at each end with tippmann A5s with caps on the cyclone forcefeed instead of the hopper. This effectively limits the ammo to about 30 balls. Have them attempt to fight their way to the other side. Run real fast paced games - keep 'em moving (refs yell encouragement) and have on team dont their guns into a rack on the oposie side of the field they entered on as they emerge and turn the markers around to the next team entering from that direction. Run it real fast and simulate CQB. Charge 10 dollars a run.

Fills the need for both camps.

-Calvin

[mag-hatter]

yeah its a lame sport i thought it was so lame, i spent 200 bucks on a gun!!!!

its not lame at all. you just havnt a) played with a good group of people b) played with good guns or c) played at all.

[nerobro]

I've played airsoft a few times.
in fact, I own 6 guns..... one gas and a bunch of springers.

the game is fun around the house ;-) it's indoor paintball. Among friends.

I can see why people like it.. it just doesn't do it for me. The game is just "that" fake to me.

I just a week or two ago did some simunition training. it felt just like airsoft.

yes, there is a lot of low left ground swell. it's cheap to buy, cheap to play.

I think tyger has a point. The fact that there's no real prizes help keep people honest. But in the group I played with sever people ahve been rejected due to multiple cheating incidents.

Longstory short is that it doesn't "do" it for me. And in general, the serious players have always rubbed me the wrong way. (if my irc experience says anything about the real players...)

[s.centralpirate]

after reading through the thread I can't say I have anything new and exciting to add to whats already been said, exceptr to comment about the honer system in paintball since just about everybody around here plays by the honor system and it works for us (curse us for living in a small community!)

Like alot of others have already said that airsoft and paintball are two different games... different equipment differnt tatics, different rules and different mindsets. heck before paintballing and airsoft came about kids in our town would go after each other with bb guns and bottle rockets (daisy model pump style guns w/a two pump rule :O ) shooting sport safty has come a long ways since then and I would have to atribute it first to paintball then to airsoft.

paintball for the most part whether it is rec ball or speedball is fast tatical moves and indivdual players making heroic (and sucidial) moves whereas airsoft is all about the last man/team standing /no casuilties type of play.

[Fixion]

Re: Airsoft - What do You Think?

Originally posted by AGD
AO,

I have had several discussions with field owners that are having airsoft days and selling airsoft guns. They play paintball style games but use the honor system instead of refs.

What are your thoughts on this? Is it an alternative to paintball?

AGD

I play Airsoft (more than paintball at the moment). Its just as fun as paintball, although very different. I love both, but Airsoft is a lot more affordable. The one thing that I don't like is that there is some dishonesty that I have seen. Determining what is a ricochet and what is a dirrect hit can also be a problem. The field owners might not like the thousands of bbs on the ground all the time. I guess you could sweep them up (not on dirt naturally).

Edit: BTW I don't play with those POS springers. I use upgraded AEGs. My friend is an airsoft freak, he as like 6 AEGs, all fully upgraded, most with scopes. An other problem I have encountered is the lack of velocity regulations. Some ppl play with 280 fps, some with 400. Some people have guns that can fire off 100+ bbs in 4 seconds or less (my brothers P90), some have slower guns. Another big issue is the lack of face protection, most people just wear shooting glasses, some not even that. At the last game I went to, some guys tooth got chipped by a bb, the round was ended early because of that. My brother and I both wear paintball masks, the best facial protection ever.

Edit2: But since the style of play is so much different, I'd keep them separate.

[Fixion]

Originally posted by s.centralpirate
paintball for the most part whether it is rec ball or speedball is fast tatical moves and indivdual players making heroic (and sucidial) moves whereas airsoft is all about the last man/team standing /no casuilties type of play.

Thats not allways ture, in the games I have played (again all upgraded AEGs), there was alot of teamwork. We usually play with a 5-10 man out rule, when the set number of people get out, they all go back in. When one team reaches a certain point or objective on the field they win. But in games where you don't get to 'respawn' people are more careful, you don't see as many bold moves.

[1stdeadeye]

No. I don't think so. The honor system is nice, but not to realistic in a big battle. THey are just like civil war reanactors who die when they get tired.

Besides the guns look way to real for my taste. I like having fun. I don't like pointing an M-16 at someone. It is far and away to warlike and not as much fun-focused.
My $0.02.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
It isnt expensive? I've seen MP5 replicas for sale for $400. I know some are more. It is expensive, if you want it to be. It's like if you buy a $30 airsoft gun, thats the equivolent to a BE Talon in paintball. I see sniper rifles for $300 and up. That is alot for a bb gun.

Edit: Oh yeah, found several machine guns, most over $1000, one is actually over $2000, and many sub machine guns for over $500.

You're right. It can be expensive if you want to make it expensive, same as paintball.

Practically ALL stock AEGs go into a price range of $150-$300 (from Tokyo Marui). Add on the cost of a spare hi cap magazine ($30-$40), battery (a 9.6 3000 mAH goes about $35-$40), and a good charger with the little perks (TLP AC940E, $55), and a bag of .25g BBs (maybe $5-$15).

Total: $300 + $40 + $40 + $55 + $15 = $550 (bear in mind I'm overestimating some prices).

That gets you at the same level as just about every player out there, from those who's upgraded thier AEGs to hell to those the who just bought thiers. Why? Cause stock Tokyo Marui internals are considered some of the most durable internals availible. In fact most airsoft players around here usually recomend AGAINST uprading the internals since it reduces the overall lifetime of the AEG. Most the cash that goes into an AEG is cosmetic, from cool looking scopes (which no one really uses) to slings to metal bodies (which only make the gun heavier. Whoop di do).

Yes there are some LMGs that go for about $1000+. Most people who own em simply have them for bragging rights, not for actual play. It's like owning a Lamborghini or Porche. You usually just own them just so you can say to your friends that you own them. Or owning an X-Mag. No difference from the $1000 E-mag, only a fancier body and a $1500 price tag.

[dcmander]

I would like to own an M4. It would be cool to play with around the house and mess with, but no one here would play with me so that doens't justify buying it.

It will never replace paintball. It seems like more of something to do with your friends, rather than going to the local paintball field on the weekends.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by dcmander
It will never replace paintball. It seems like more of something to do with your friends, rather than going to the local paintball field on the weekends.

Quoted for truth.

[than205]

What are the airsoft balls made of?

[DyNasTy]

Statistics, probablility, and mainstream

Ok Paintball.. lets start htis off with it. Paintball is growing and continually there is more players getting into it yearly at a increasing growth. The sport is only taking a matter of time before it is truly recognized for what we all see it as. I mean if you can consider bowling a sport or figure skating, you cant tell me paintball's not. But anyways back on topic... Paintball however is struggling not in any huge terms but in the general public. We have all heard rumours and even seen some small 1 hour clips once a year of world cup or a few promotional things that no one else see's but the guy who stays up till 5 am on the same channel. Paintball will reach its peak once it is on TV, it is almost guarenteed that it will reach that goal. I mean theres not much more to do with it. We have electronic markers, rules, leagues and everything is setup so smoothly why would we want to hurt it. The only thing leaft is new inventions to what is already existing to modify it.


Airsoft however is a fresh sport, I use that term losely at the moment. However it has statisticly moved faster than paintball in the beginning. More players seem to be taking interest but its because they are into the realism of the weapon. It will never be seen as a sport by the general public. Just to the players that are htere to play the game. It is the most popular over in the Asia and Hong Kong where they take it to the extreme. Airsoft is kinda for the extreme scenario player. They use everything sometimes from parachuters, vehicles, boats, and tactical equipment whihc would not be accessible or even proper to use in paintball. This si where it differs from paintball, it is somewhat organized as well. Fields are opening, they have chrono limits as well, and bb sizes etc. These are all regulated by the lpayers for safety reasons. The honour system does suck but it's your choice to play and if you play you should be willing to do it properly. You can always come back later on


I think paintball and airsoft are on each others side, both involve firing a projecticle at a opponent. However paintball is more organized, safer, publicly accepted in most area's, and no real hazard's to doing it. Paintball is more of a speedball/tournament style sport, airsoft is more of a woodsball/scenario sport.


You have to try before you judge however I have and Paintball will always be ontop of airsoft in the long run. Sales, Interest, and just the feel of play makes paintball what it is.

[DyNasTy]

few fun facts

for new guys to airsoft here is the general info

BB's come in different weights, like paintball's come in different sizes... because the bb's are so small the heavier the bb the farther it flys.. however it is regulated so only the "snipers" will be able to use these bb's for fairness.

*BTW* BBs are made of teflon and something else. They are as well biodegradable

Face protection - your own choice, you ahve to wear TACTICAL GOGGLES, or full Paintball makss or paintball lenses. Fields wont let you on with shop glasses.

FPS -

AEG's usually run around 280-300 depends where your playing. Out door is higher than indoor for safety reasons. Usually highest would be around 320-350 for outdoor games

Bolt Actions/GBB - 300-450 FPS is legal limit

airsoft hurts a lot les than paintball, iwas shot in the neck by one at close range *sniper rifle at 400 fps* and it was like a pinch compared to a paintball. And we all know paintballs dont even hurt so us hardend players shoudlnt feel it.

That as well is half hte problem, if they are shot from too far away most of the time u dont even feel them hitting,

Anywyas this is the basic info

cya

[mag-hatter]

well tell me what you were on because they DO hurt! i played today and we played something where one dude had my ak and the other two would have 2 pistols and a spring mp5 so i was sneaking around with the mp5 and i got shot in the arm with my own ak....it hurts! ive been playing paintball for 4 years and ill tell you right now it hurts! i havnt done any mods to my ak i've just gotten a locap mag and thats it! i got shot and usually when you get hit by airsoft guns, it breaks the skin because the balls are so hard and they're flying at or faster than paintball guns even though they airnt as heavy as pballs, but they are painful to get hit by.

[1ofkind]

I got a friend thats trying 2 get into air soft. He just spend 400 bucks on a mph5 submachine gun. The whole point of air soft is its like playing with real guns. Seeing they have no range you got to play close to each other, so its like the movies.