What is the price of your soul??!!

[Lohman446]

What has happened here has changed paintball entirely. At this point, Dynsaty can recruit/hire the best players out there, and with the ability to concentrate on paintball they should be able to dominate over any non-professional team. I expect now, that you will see a few more teams accomplish the same thing quickly, as having a team is the next "cool" thing for large manufacturers (think Kingman if not Brass Eagle).

That being said I have wondered this, the question goes like this
Would you wipe off a hit
In recball, No.
What if it were a tournament and there was $1,000 on the line?
Maybe...

The fact is, if your morals are open to influence by large sums of money than you have to question how strong they are (I make no judgement in saying this).

I do not think that Dynasty owes anything to WDP - it was a professional sponsorship deal. I am sure terms were spelled out. This was a business deal, clear and simple. Face it, we are down to the point of admitting the best gun is basically whatever you are comfortable with, WDP could not have really expected Dynasty to stay because they felt Angels were superior or whatever. Relationship and moral reasons... I think those who knew Dynasty's reputation (so far as playing) should have known better.

I need to go back and say this, I do not make any of these as a judgement, I do not have the moral authority to judge anyone.

As for the question - the price of my soul is my child. Mess with me, no big deal, mess with my child and all rules about what is right and wrong are out the window.

[Meph]

Comparing a person's very soul to the Dynasty/Smart Parts signing agreement? That's just flat out retarded there Drama Queen.

How about comparing it on the equal of importance. Me deciding if I wanted to have jello or cranberry sauce at the table earlier today. Because both of those matter the same amount.

What amount? Nothing. Dyn using Shockers means nothing. Get over it. Grow up.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

Originally posted by Rope a Dope

you're just jealous.

[-=Squid=-]

I would appreciate it if some body could verify this. I still think this whole story is BS. Im sure that WDP would just throw dynasty the same offer as SP, after all, who WOULDNT want to sponsor the highest ranking and most marketable team? Besides, the sponsorship with WDP coincides with some of there other stories. Sorry folks, I think its crap. However, knowing my luck there is an official news story on it that I havent seen yet.

EDIT: Just read the PGI story. Screw SP for they have just ruined my favorite team. Wanna know why they were my favorite team? Becuase they were good, AND shot angels. I am a HUGE angel supporter.

[Lohman446]

Meph - did not read the other thread - but I obviously agree with you. I have actually been thinking about the idea for some time, after hearing about all the "rec-ballers don't understand, its ok to cheat in a tournament cause you have to to win and theres money involved" or whatever reasoning you have. Frankly I have to strongly disagree with the idea that this would be a determining factor of morality. Again though, I am no better than anyone here, don't take this as a judgement against you, it is a judgement of my own actions, and a consideration of what I would think acceptable for myself or those representing me.

As to the post of jealousy - I am jealous. I would like to be able to play paintball all the time. That being said I think this marks a turning point in paintball where the "weekend warriors" are going to find themselves falling behind the professional players (maybe not this year or next, but eventually). Face it, those who practice more, and can pay the money to pull in the natural talent to begin with, are going to do better than those that play mostly for fun - or play on a level that does not allow them the practice. I am not going to comment on this being good or bad, eventually things will seperate out and there will still be local/regional/national events - think like the Gus Macker basketball tournament, the NBA players don't play there ( I assume). For now though... well I think if SP is going to do it some other major names will have to.

BTW - my entire feeling on paintball companies sponsor paintball teams - I think its preaching to the choir. I do not beleive it helps move that much more product or increase awareness as much as it would seem to - most people who pay attention to the pros have enough knowledge of paintball to make their own decisions (Please note I may be very wrong here). I expect what you will see is Nike or some such sponsoring a team, and advertising there product in the media because of the "extreme" face of paintball. I think that a) relatively speaking paintball sponsorhips are cheap and b) it would be more efficient in terms of return on dollars spent than what paintball companies have seen.

[maglover52]

ok here is what i heard. dynasty got an offer of 100,000 from smartparts to use there guns and stuff. they asked wdp if they would match that because they would rather be with wdp but wdp didnt have enough money to pay for that so they went to smarparts for the money.

[Python14]

I say all power to em. If they can make money playing ball, good. I know it's always been a dream of mine to have that option. Atleast now it's a little more realistic. I still think it will be a while before we see a big divide. The tournaments are gonna still exsist, which means the folks who play at tournaments and get noticed will get offers from these big bucks teams.

Good for Dynasty.

[G-Rock]

Originally posted by Meph
Comparing a person's very soul to the Dynasty/Smart Parts signing agreement?

Okay just to clear something up....

"what is the price of your soul" is a saying okay.

It is like saying "what about them apples" and you arn't even talking about any type of fruit.

Or "that is how the cookie crumbles" and not even near any cookies or a bakery for that matter.

Originally posted by Meph
That's just flat out retarded there Drama Queen.

Now if you are referring to me, please go back and read the thread okay, the only person freaking out here is you so far. It has been a quite docile.

As for me referring this to the Smart Parts/ Dynasty deal, that was a example. Much like Bad Company did a couple years back with Kingman. Just an example!!

What I was saying is, at what price would you sell out your current sponsors (if you have any) or if you were an individual player, what is the price to sell our your buds on the team?

Chris

P.S. I am not a queen at all this week, my dress is still in the shop okay, but next week I am free for a date there Meph!!

[Lee]

i'm not a tourney ball follower per say, but i did make an observation between last years world cup and this years.

last year, wdp had a big old display area, beach sand, music, wimmen etc.
this year, they had a nice, but basic booth.

smart parts (both years) has had 2 tractor trailers, tarps, a spacious hang out area, and a bus for team strange.

i don't think wdp can compete with an offer from smart parts. i don't think they have the $$.

i could be totally wrong, but thats what i saw when i walked around the cup the last 2 years. smart parts got bigger, wdp got smaller.

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by maglover52
ok here is what i heard. dynasty got an offer of 100,000 from smartparts to use there guns and stuff. they asked wdp if they would match that because they would rather be with wdp but wdp didnt have enough money to pay for that so they went to smarparts for the money.

That's showing that they are loyal to the almighty coin than to those who supported them.

If I was in that position, I would've stayed with WDP. It's not like dynasty had any problems with what WDP sent them. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well, they're trying to fix something that was running great. Good job, dynasty, just goes to show y'all have more greed than loyalty.

I won't sell out my friends and compatriots for ANY amount of money. The only time I'd turn on them would be if they changed for the worse and started going against what I hold to be moral and ethical. And even then I wouldn't do it for money, but for ethics and morals.

You offer me money to sell out my true friends and comrades, and I'll take that money and burn it in front of your face, then go continue on with my friends.

[shartley]

[LaW]

Perfect post shartley

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by shartley

My god I agree completely with Shartley!

Look, it's unethical and unproffesional to break a contract. If no contract is broken, then it is only disloyal or underhanded if you don't give your current relationship fair warning. Seems I heard that dynasty asked or the same deal from their other sponsers and they refused to match or better the conditions.

Previous sponser stops paying them, team stops promoting their products. Both have lived up to their side of the bargain.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by LaW
Perfect post shartley

I agree. I work for the person that pays me the best money primarily... But I chose sometimes to not take the most if the conditions are not the best. So I just hope they got someone to look at the contract before they signed it that was concerned with thier interest. They didn't sell their soul. They took a job offer. Simple as that.

But I hope they realize its a job now and they may have to do what their sponsors expect them to do more than they were used to. As long as they realize with the money comes responsibility and they now may not always get everything their way, then great. Good for them! They did what any of us would do and took the job that offered the most money.

[magman007]

I agree that this all makes sence, the suing of ICD, Gaining of team dynasty, it is all natural progression of business. the only thing is that, the way dynasty left WDP was rotten.

No warning signs, etc. Now wdp wouldnt match the deal, so dynasty left, i understand that, but they were shady and ashamed of their move, they mush have been, because they did it so sheepily.

Also, while sp is a big company, you must admit, that their business products are a little awry. Things like their markers, that are made with low grade aluminum, and the quality control, is not what i would expect from such a large company.