new phantom

[WicKeD_WaYz]

just got my phantom in the mail today. wish i could show u a pic its tight, but i dont have a digi cam. I got red tiger striped with black. looks tight as hell.

n e way i was wonderin if i need to keep the pump spring. i kno the used to make them with no spring. this is my first pump and i cant say i got the hang of it yet so should i keep the pump spring on untill i get better?

and my second thought was just to cut it and lighten it. either way i think the pump is a little stiff.

what do you think?

[space_weazel_45]

welcome to phantoms mine has been great
to anwser your question....
if the spring your talking about is the one on the pump rod then yes you can take it out or cut it but when you do then there is nolonger any back presure after its cocked and so unless you force it forward and hold it there the pump wont close and the gun wont fire, some people like it this way, i have played both ways but found that too many times i dident push it closed all the way or it sliped open and then i couldent shoot. however it also is not that much force most all of the force is in the main spring in the gun which as far as i know you shouldent cut or alter.

if this is a NEW phantom it will be stiff for a few hundred shots and begins to smooth out over time.

goodluck and any other questions?

as for over all stiffness its a phantom and that style of pump action is stiffer than others, you will find that a pump cocker or the harder to find sterling have smoother pump actions, particulary the sterling is like butter.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

thanks


ya im gettin used to it. i think ill leave the spring. i shot a few in my garage tonight and its not too bad. i need practice reloadin fast, ill be effed if someone tries to rush me when im switching air. and i think im gunna have to play wayyy up front with this bad boy. not a problem cuz i am learning to snap shoot decent.

R DUB

[Fred]

my first VSC didn't have it... and was butter smooth... but the problem is that you can't shoot without holding the pump handle forward if you don't have it (the bolt will slide back a little bit while firing, and your ball will explode...).

I've run a return spring on my newer phantom since i've had it, i like it a lot, its strong enough that if i release the pump handle while holding the trigger it will shoot, and not break the ball in the breech.. :)

it comes down to preference though, give it a shot with and without it, then decide.

---Fred

[Dbl_Edge]

so are you of the oppinion that pump cockers are feel better? I am interested in a pump, and would like to know what is good.

[sniper1rfa]

if you want to lighten the spring, take the pump handle off the pump arm (it unscrews), the back off the little nut until its just resting against the spring when the arm is foward. Screw the pump handle back on and adjust accordingly, to get it lined up with the barrel again.

I run my phantom without a spring. i have an old hammer though (its not rounded), and as such a little bit of kink keeps the bolt closed. If i buy a new hammer, the spring is going back on, as the newer rounded hammers allow the bolt/hammer assembly to slide around with little friction.

(BTW, by new hammer, i mean newer than my phantom, which is old as hell.)

[space_weazel_45]

dlb_edge
ile assume you where asking me
by its design a pump cocker/sterling/ect is going to be smoother.
most all pumps however they are built have their roots in either sherridan or a nelson pump deign, there are exceptions.[i could be wrong]
however both designs [sheridan/nelson] and others have their plusses and negitives. a phantom is about as light and simple as you can get but it has a stiffer stroke. cocker/sterling/ect are heavier and have more parts but have a smoother stroke. there are other options to wheigh aswell and it comes to personal prefferance and style of play. phantoms are versital [feed style/grip/ect] while others not so much.

good luck and i hope i havent bored you

[Dbl_Edge]

whoa... i just had this badass idea. I have seen it done with pump mags, but never before with a phantom (let me know if it has been done). but anyways...

We all know the only difference between a cocker and the sniper III is the pnuematics, right? Is it possible to make a phantom-cocker? i've seen mag-cockers done after fitting pneumatics to the pump kit, so I'm sure it must work. Somebody let me know, I think I just came up with my next project (after my bushy...)

[Fred]

like an auto-cocking phantom?

been done... Brad make one not too long ago that looked pretty hot... really nice red anno.

Anyways...

the phantom doesn't really lend itself to automation very well. Its a pain to mount a ram in line with the pump rod without causing huge ammounts of internal wear (if the alignment even gets tweaked a tiny bit).

You could mill the breech to so that the bolt connection is from the side... but IMO that's fugly... and it opens the breech tube to the elements.

I used to want a pneumatic assist phantom... but after hearing all the trouble that people have keeping them running full speed all the time, i'm gonna build an assist Sterling instead (already got parts on order...).

---Fred

[LBC Blue]

sup Ryan when you take me paintballin I aint usin that pump gun homi. thats all you.