Vision Impulse vs Custom RT Pro ???

[FragTek]

SP sets the regs down at the factory because... your gonna laugh at this... they tech their guns using Co2... MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA..... and then when u get your gun back, and u slap on your HP and air it up and it rapes the $3 solenoid they put in em, they blame it on you like your some kinda idiot for thinking that they use HP rather than C02 at the factory... HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Co2 to tech. guns at SP... omfg roflmfao that is just to funny for me. Cheap whores!

[joshweinerhead]

after i spent 20 minutes on teh fone telling the guy that i had my pressure set at 170... it was their fault all along?

[Downfall]

Ok so the RT does not need aftermarket parts, it shoots out of the box, that's nice but you don't even have a choice of anything unless AGD make something new. I consider that bad, with impulses there are a lot of parts available to personlize your markers look and performance. You are not going to get a good answer here, they will all be biased, after all this is an AGD board. The best thing you can do is go shoot them both and buy which ever one you like better.

[tony3]

Did anyone bother readin my post?

LOOK

Don't get a vision imp, get a http://stores.cipp.com/Merchant4/me...ode=10101019903

and then when the was board comes out get that, itll completely rock the rt ule custom.

The was board is a replacement board for the impulse that will give the gun similar features like a timmy was board, it will have a debounce setting, and an adjustable soleniod output range. The adjustable solenoid output will COMPELTELY get rid of FSDO(first shot drop off) that is related to SP cheap noids. Yes, SP did cut corner and are using noids rated for 30-100 psi and just put a new spring in them that causes fsdo, but if you have a was board and keep your ram and ram shaft clean and not overly lubed you should not get fsdo. Also, you have a lpr on your gun which should tune the pressure down towards the rated psi.

The impulse with was will destroy the RT in speed, you will be getting rof in the high teens easily. The imp and rt will have similar efficency with the impulse having alittle better efficency. Guess what? If you aren't satisfied with the efficency you can get a ND valve and ND bolt and your efficency will sky rock. The mag will be around 3 lbs. stock. This is what cphilip said when he was selling rt customs before agd came out with them. Guess what? Stock imps weigh 3 lbs. The mag will not be lighter then the imp. The mag WILL have a lower profile then the imp stock. If you get a no rise for the imp your profile will be extremely small.

The imp has more aftermarket parts to inhance the look of the gun, and even squeeze more preformence out of it if you want. There are quite a few aftermarket bodies that are avaliable for the impulse currenty. Such as the 03 rat, RJR, Cash Money, AI, Predator, Nasty, and Freak Factory. But there aren't only bodies avaliable for these guns though(except predator)? Well, how about you buy one of those guns, switch in all of your upgraded parts, put the lesser parts on the stock body and sell it. Not needed but for the people that like good looking Guns. There are various trigger frames and trigger for the impulse. ND Blade/Magno Blade(included with the pack from epbo), I-Frame(amazing frame), OTB 90* frame(magnetic, similar to space frame), Toxic, and a few others I can't remember. You will be able to set up your imp however you want.

Well, those are my reasons and in my opinion I hope you pick the impulse because it has a better oppritunity to completely rip while the mag will be stuck at 13-14 bps. The imp will be more efficenct. They will have similar weights. The imp will be chopless once you get a was board and FSDO will completely disappear. Also, if you order from EPBO they give you a FREE lifetime warrenty.

Good luck,
Tony

[KingmanSpyderTL]

ok well I've read both sides so far...

Vision Impulse:
Speed
No ball breaks
Upgrades
May break down
Can use co2
Ok efficiency

RT:
Compact
No balls breaks
Reliability
OK speed
OK efficiency
Out of box performance
Can't use CO2


I'm sorta leaning towards the mag right now, but i hate that ugly site rail and forgrip.. Is there anyway I can take the foregrip off and just use the v/a to make the gun smaller. The site rail is coming off no matter what.

[Downfall]

The impulse has better than OK efficiency, I had an imp with ND upgrades and was getting almost a case out of a 68 45k tank.

[logamus]

to me efficiency is a joke. who cares. when you get all day fills what difference does it make? kingman, i dont like the looks of the rt pro's either, if i was you i would talk to one of the good dealers on AO to see if they can hook you up with a custom made one so you dont have to fool with the silly sight rail and such.

[Phil]

Fragtek, what on earth would be my motivation in lying to this guy I don't know? Not only did my impulse not chop but neither did my two buddies impulses chop. If your hopper feeds fast enough you will not chop.

[Phil]

p.s. Ask this same question on www.impulseownersgroup.com and see what they say. It would be interesting to compair the responses.

[joshweinerhead]

Originally posted by Phil
Fragtek, what on earth would be my motivation in lying to this guy I don't know? Not only did my impulse not chop but neither did my two buddies impulses chop. If your hopper feeds fast enough you will not chop.

you shouldnt chop at all with the vision eye ..

[tony3]

Vision isn't the greatest, but as long as you use bright shells you'll be fine, or take my idea and get that pack at epbo and get a was board when it comes out(before xmas)

[Maksimus54]

I am a proud owner of both an impy and a mag and i love both, but if you are going for flat out performance go with the imp, its fast, accurate, light and compact. Yeah you can blow a noid, but you can do lots of stupid things to your gun. If you are looking for a gun that will last longer than you, have dead on accuracy and be quicker than most other mechs, go with the mag. I love both but right now i got a mag for my backup.

[sphinx-xxx]

you guys are so stupid...imps are so much better its not even close:

first of all...yes stock imps suck...but get the Rat and you dont need to upgrade anything and for $725 thats awesome
if you put at LPR on the imp..you can get it down to like 150 psi and the LRP to about 50 psi which is freakin insane

with the new equilizer board comin out for the imps from WAS...they can get up to 25+ bps! dont believe me? d/l the "Equilized" Rats video clip from forceofnature.com

imps are electros but who cares if your gun will work if you "throw it in a lake" all that matters is if it will be efficient and good to you on the field..which ive never seen an imp owner who was dissapointed

and why do you think theres so many aftermarket imps and parts? maybe cuz lots of companies wanna be known as imp makers

QUOTES FROM IOG: i own a 2k2 Smart Parts imp...i have it fully upgraded and i play back and wen i just start rippin i can get 18 bps constantly...one of my friends on my team plays front and he used to own a RT pro with intelliframe, warp feed, odyssey roller trigger and some other stuff..he loved it
but wen i let him play with my imp for a game...he was in love forever..he sold his mag for a RAT: THERE YA HAVE IT

yall dont kno wat ur talkin about...i bet most of you havent even HELD an imp rather than shootin it

[FragTek]

Kingman, wipe "no ball breaks" off of the Impy side... that's a lie, I had plenty of breach chops with my Vision impy's and a Halo on top....

[sphinx-xxx]

i use a HALO and ive chopped 1 ball in my gun since ive had it
1 BALL!

if you use strong enough detents...they come with 2k3 imps...your fine

so just keep hatin on the imp...just hope you kno its better and keep to your guns that look like tubes

it looks like i can make a classic mag in my backyard