Jim Drew: Banned from PBN, mounting a sanitation campain on other boards!

[raehl]

Well...

Jim owns the copyright to his posts. Unless there's some verbage to the contrary in the PBN user agreement, all it would take for Jim to have his stuff taken down would be a DMCA-compliant notice. (Well, PBN would have to comply with the notice, but they'd be opening themselves up to legal action if they didn't.) At best, it's legal grey-area, and nobody wants to be the test case.

On the other hand, just because someone threatens to sue you doesn't mean you should do anything. If someone threatens to sue you on a web board, the only thing you should do is laugh. If someone is serious about suing you, the first you'll hear about it is in a nice letter from their lawyer mailed to the office of your registered agent.


- Chris

[shartley]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by raehl
Jim owns the copyright to his posts. Unless there's some verbage to the contrary in the PBN user agreement, all it would take for Jim to have his stuff taken down would be a DMCA-compliant notice. (Well, PBN would have to comply with the notice, but they'd be opening themselves up to legal action if they didn't.) At best, it's legal grey-area, and nobody wants to be the test case.

On the other hand, just because someone threatens to sue you doesn't mean you should do anything. If someone threatens to sue you on a web board, the only thing you should do is laugh. If someone is serious about suing you, the first you'll hear about it is in a nice letter from their lawyer mailed to the office of your registered agent.


- Chris

I agree with this...

Yes there IS verbiage to the contrary in the PBN user agreement.

By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws. You also agree that all messages and any other material once submitted become the property of PbNation LLC. If you are caught attempting to rip people off we will post your name and address publicly. We do not tolerate scam artists and we will use all resources and law enforcement agencies to find them.

[raehl]

Well...

Now that you've established that you have free time on your hands, shoot me an email, I have some stuff you can do for me.

- Chris

[shartley]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by raehl
Now that you've established that you have free time on your hands, shoot me an email, I have some stuff you can do for me.

- Chris

LOL Not so sure about the "free time" thing, but I sent you off an e-mail.

[cledford]

Morning Conspiracy Theory...

Anyone notice to PBN database crapped out? I noticed that the last time JD needed posts deleted the database went down losing over a years worth of data. Funny how it's not working now. I'm not saying anything - just pointing out unusual circumstances...

-Calvin

[SlartyBartFast]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by raehl
Jim owns the copyright to his posts.

No he doesn't. You lose control over your thoughts and posts as soon as they hit the public domain.

The language of the user agreement in virtually all on-line discussion boards underlines that fact quite clearly.

[Jack & Coke]

I am proud of AO.

This thread has turned into a meaningful discussion.

Although some may feel he deserves it, this thread's not just a flame war trashing Jim Drew.

Intersting topics regarding what you think your rights are on a forum...

...please continue.

[Meph]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke


...this thread's not just a flame war trashing Jim Drew.

Oh is it now? We'll see about THAT now shall we? Just you wait!

[agdemagman69]

I've spent a LONG time on pbn reading Jim's old posts, and there hilarious!!!! I saved every thread i found right before PBN deleted them.

Which i am also Dissapointed in PBN's decision to delete the posts. Have we recieved a formal explanation from them about it yet?

[raehl]

Re: Re: Well...

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
No he doesn't. You lose control over your thoughts and posts as soon as they hit the public domain.

The language of the user agreement in virtually all on-line discussion boards underlines that fact quite clearly.

Poppycock. While it is true that you lose control of material that is in the public domain, it is obvious that you do not understand what the public domain is, or what material is in the public domain. NONE of the material Jim posted is in the public domain. Placing copywritten material in public certainly does not make the material in the public domain - the ONLY ways material is placed in the public domain is if 1) the Copyright term on that material expires or 2) the owner of the copyright on that material expressly places it in the public domain.

The pbnation user agreement says that by placing your material on their forums, PBNation becomes the owner of the material. The material *DOES NOT* go into the public domain. Assuming that that clause of the pbnation user agreement is enforcable (of which I have my doubts), pbnation is the owner of the material. The pbnation.com user agreement underscores the fact that whoever owns Jim's posts, they most certainly are NOT in thepublic domain.


- Chris

[Meph]

Why do you deserve an explaination? It's their business, they run it as they see fit. Beyond that you don't have any special reason why you should be informed on Anything they do or plan to do in the future.

[SlartyBartFast]

Re: Re: Re: Well...

Originally posted by raehl
The pbnation user agreement says that by placing your material on their forums, PBNation becomes the owner of the material. The material *DOES NOT* go into the public domain.

I may have mispoken. However, PBNation owns all content on it, AO owns all the content on AO, and jurisprudence has already said e-mail is open to those who own the servers on which it passes.

Chat rooms or bulletin boards could easily be proven to be like open conversation. If you record someone making a public statement you can replay it as many times as you want.

While you may get into trouble profiting from those statemetns, you certainly can't get into trouble for airing them. In the case of AO, PBN, and others, the fact that you agree to the terms as a member means they can profot from and otherwise do as they please with your posts.