Impy w.a.s.?

[ICOM]

Is it true a impy can get 35bps with the WAS? Or does it lose velocity doing this?

[paint_munkey]

the equalizer can sustain rofs as high as 35+ bps, but, that doesnt mean anyone can shoot that fast.

[ICOM]

they have videos on it..... on w.a.s. page. GO to IOG and they have links.

[paint_munkey]

they actually have vids of an impy doing 35 bps over a chrono? i find it hard to believe but i'll do a search over at iog.

i have seen vids of a was timmy doing at least 16 or 17, but definitely not 30+

[OutRage86]

too bad WAS wont get those Boards out...First I preorderd one. He says late January or Early Febuary. Then he says 30-50 days after March 5th. And Yet Still No board?

[EsPo]

i heard mid summer for them boards. sure, they may be capped at 35 bps.. but that probably wont ever happen.. ever.

its just like that bushy board that is capable of 66.6 bps.. but nobody will ever shoot that fast, its just capable of doing that.

[Army]

WAS has yet to prove, or even back-up, their claim of any firing speeds over 20 bps.

WAS has a lot of hype behind them, too bad a little honesty and integrity could be there too.

[Doc Nickel]

I'd like to point out something here:

Controller circuit cycle times do NOT directly equal marker cycle times.

This should be obvious, but it strikes me that not everyone understands the distinction.

The controller may well be able to process 66.6 complete sets of instructions per second, but that's slower than an oak tree in a footrace compared to the three billion calculations per second a decent desktop PC can process.

Curt from KM2 once wrote an interesting post over in the Guild a year or two back, in response to someone asking if the "Morlock" board was limited by the onboard chip's clock speed. Curt crunched a number or two and stated that the clock speed wouldn't be a limitation until approximately 5,000 shots per second.

He then said if for some reason that was a limitation, he'd just use such-and-such a chip with a clock five times faster, for a theoretical 25,000 shot-per-second limit.

Clearly processor/controller speed is not an issue here.

Naturally, this only assumes how fast the board can process instructions, not limitations on realworld factors like dwell times. And therein lies the rub: The software MUST wait for the hardware to cycle.

No software can make the ram or hammer accellerate faster, or make the solenoid switch quicker or make air flow through the solenoid faster.

Just taking out Chip A and putting in Captain Whizzo's X-Treem Chip-B Delux will NOT suddenly allow the gun to perfectly and reliably fire 20 to 30 shots per second.

The gun's overall max ROF depends on the slowest of all factors: rate that paint can feed, rate that the bolt/hammer/ram can cycle, rate the solenoid can cycle, rate the shooter can pull the trigger, how fast the reg can supply air, ad nauseum.

Controller clock speed is by far the fastest of all these, no matter who makes the board, and thus is the least relevant when truly upgrading the gun.

Doc.

[ICOM]

Ok thankyou, i was just asking, didnt say that they can.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Doc..I've never met you..but I must say...you are THE MAN!! (and I'm just waiting for the day when WAS says he's going to attempt an emag equalizer board)

[kevdupuis]

I think it was mentioned somewhere on one of the other WAS threads, that an EQ board for a Mag would be a losing proposition.

[Xen]

army how do you figure? the was boards check the trigger 1 million times a second thus the board will fire the solenoid, I dont get why you call it hype? I have seen on a 02 timmie's screen 22 bps so yes they shoot 20+ bps

dont rip on was because your ignorant.

you make something better

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I don't know..I work on computer hardware for a living..and all this stuff does not make any rational sense to me..So...a Timmy can dry fire (yes.. I said dry fire) at 20bps..who cares? Considering nothing can really keep up the feedrate at the speed and no reg or tank has ever been tested at that high of speed how do we know if the gun really was firing that fast with paint that it wasn't getting tremendous shoot down..and I really don't care what Jim Drew says..degree or no...computer company or no..he's shown time and time again that all he does is puke more FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) on the masses than any company ever in the history of paintball.

[Army]

Xen, you are as silly here, as you are in the Chat Room.

Ignorance? Hardly. Jim Drew has yet to PROVE any of his theories about paintball, with any degree of scientific reasoning. Heck, even a decent video would suffice for most of us, but he can't even do that.

As Doc Nickle pointed out, it doesn't matter that the board can do 20, or even a million bps, it's irrelevent if the MECHANICAL aspect of the gun can't use it.

When a Spyder freezes up and goes "PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPT", that's about 30 SHOTS per second. Are you going to argue that Spyders are capapble of 30bps because it can cycle that fast? Seen anyone with an actual WAS board in their Impy? I didn't think so.

It is all hype until it can be PROVED, something WAS and Jim Drew have never done.

[Xen]

no one has one cause ITS PREORDER status, there are videos, the impulse solenoid can fire at 40 bps thus the gun cna function at that, uhh ooooo spagetti oooos