Impy w.a.s.?

[Fastkid]

You guys all forgot that the fastest loader is...
Slowest of mechaniac features controls speed.

[EsPo]

WAS eye > vision...

im going to go ahead and say vision sucks..and if WAS is what it is made out to be (senses all colored paint) than it will be worth it.

[Doc Nickel]

the was boards check the trigger 1 million times a second thus the board will fire the solenoid, I dont get why you call it hype?

Besides the fact this sentence is largely nonsensical, the fact that a board or controller 'checks' the trigger X number of times a second, is wholly irrelevant and advertised purely as hype.

Why on Earth does it matter if the board will check for or accept trigger input at any greater frequency than, say, a small safety margin over the gun's max ROF? If the controller is currently executing its instructions- IE, it's firing the gun- then additional trigger inputs or instructions spent looking for trigger inputs are completely, totally wasted.

If the board IS accepting/using additional trigger inputs, then we're into the grey area of "recording" trigger pulls or allowing the board to utilize "switch noise" to create an illegal fire mode (more than one shot per trigger pull.)

I have seen on a 02 timmie's screen 22 bps so yes they shoot 20+ bps

Nope, sorry. All the "screen" or LCD display tells you is how many times the controller executed it's set of firing instructions. If the instructions take 20 milliseconds to cycle (allowing for solenoid cycle time, time for the ram to complete it's travel, etc) then the display would show 50 bps.

It's easy: Set the controller for full-auto, crank down the dwell and raise the ROF pots (or whatever your particular board has) and pull the trigger. You don't even need air, let alone actually trying to fire paint.

Then you'll have a cool little max-ROF readout to show off to your friends out in the parking lot. Make 'em think you're a stud.

Just keep in mind it has absolutely nothing- not a bloody thing- to do with the gun's actual or theoretical maximum ROF. It's just an interesting little electronic score at best.

It doesn't matter that the board can do 20, or even a million bps, it's irrelevent if the MECHANICAL aspect of the gun can't use it.

Precisely.

If the controller can cycle 30 times a second, the solenoid can cycle 20 times a second, the ram can complete it's travel 18 times a second, the regulator can supply air to 16 shots per second, and the loader can feed 13 balls per second...

... Then the guns' maximum, effective, real-world rate of fire is 13 BPS.

Throw a Halo on it that can do 20 balls per second? Okay, now the gun's maximum ROF is 16/sec, the fastest the reg can supply air. Beef up the air supply so it's good to 25 bps, and now the gun's limitation is the ram cycle speed.

Make sense? The gun is only as usably fast as it's slowest function.

the impulse solenoid can fire at 40 bps thus the gun cna function at that

Sorry, that's still wrong. Impulses and Shockers use Parker/Skinner air-piloted solenoids, and can really only reliably cycle up to the high teens, as I recall. And even still, keep in mind that even if the solenoid can cycle thus, the ram and hammer/bolt still have to start moving and complete their cycle after the solenoid activates.

Again, just because the electronics can cycle at X speed, does NOT mean the gun can therefore cycle at X speed.

im going to go ahead and say vision sucks..and if WAS is what it is made out to be (senses all colored paint) than it will be worth it.

The only time shell color comes into play is with "reflective" ACE eyes. Like the factory Impy Vision, and I think the BKO, the older Sandridges. Two-element eyes, like used in the Intimidators, the Gabriel Visions, RaceGuns and so on, are immune to shell color problems- Manike even successfully tried a Gladiator Vision install with Kaye's clear/water-filled Perfect Circle balls.

Doc.

[Xen]

no sorry doc, you dont have to put it on full auto to see thoes kind of results, ever heard of debounce? I thought not. Put a timmy with a WAS board on 1ms debounce and fire, if you cant hit 20+ BPS then your slow, and yes I have shot over a chrono and have gotten said BPS.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~eightmmdesign/MVI_2668.AVI

check out that video, thats using a reprogramed cricket board so that you have 1-25 ROF control, and Full auto among other things, hmmm strange hmmm 20 bps?


and you said the guns mechanical max ROF is 16? Wow so this isnt an impulse, this is a matrix with an pseudo adrenalin body? I think not. Get your facts together and come back, sorry.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Xen
no sorry doc, you dont have to put it on full auto to see thoes kind of results, ever heard of debounce? I thought not. Put a timmy with a WAS board on 1ms debounce and fire, if you cant hit 20+ BPS then your slow, and yes I have shot over a chrono and have gotten said BPS.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~eightmmdesign/MVI_2668.AVI

check out that video, thats using a reprogramed cricket board so that you have 1-25 ROF control, and Full auto among other things, hmmm strange hmmm 20 bps?


and you said the guns mechanical max ROF is 16? Wow so this isnt an impulse, this is a matrix with an pseudo adrenalin body? I think not. Get your facts together and come back, sorry.

1st: Do you know who doc nickle is? Before spouting off on his ignorance maybe you should figure that out.

2nd: Do YOU know what "debounce" is? Sounds like you don't have a clue....I'll give you a hint.....doc called it by another name....give up? Switch noise.

3rd: I suggest you go back and take some reading comprehension courses before the SAT's. Unless I'm misreading something it looks like you mistook a general example on the topic of limiting factors as hard data being presented on the impulse.

4th: I don't know who raised you, but I contend you somehow missed all the lessons on common courtesy and being polite. I suggest you go back and learn these concepts as they'll help you later in life not to come off as such a completely worthless mass of carbon matter that's using up oxygen the rest of us could use.

EDIT: I hereby dedicate the quote in my sig to you

[Hexis]

Originally posted by ShooterJM

I suggest you go back and learn these concepts as they'll help you later in life not to come off as such a completely worthless mass of carbon matter that's using up oxygen the rest of us could use.

Well, assuming he's human (I know, not necessarily a safe one) he's mostly H2O, very little carbon in the human body compared to Hydrogen and Oxygen.

[ShooterJM]

True, but he's probably still a carbon based lifeform regardless.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by Xen
and you said the guns mechanical max ROF is 16? Wow so this isnt an impulse, this is a matrix with an pseudo adrenalin body? I think not. Get your facts together and come back, sorry.

Uhm, maybe I missed the point where Doc said that the limit was 16 bps, he did mention 16 bps in an analogy.

Kinda like I can get my car speedometer to say 170 if I jack the front tires up into the air and don't have to deal with drag and weight of the car. Doesn't actually mean anything cause I ain't going that fast now am I. My 0-60 times would be great if I didn't have to put the wheels on the ground to get there.

[WickedAirSportz]

Real world testing shows the following with full auto and a Halo-B:

Intimidator - 22 bps
Impulse - 24 bps
Viking - 26 bps

C'mon people - we have videos of Intimidators shooting 20+ bps on our website (and have for many months).

What the display shows as the max rate of fire is the actual number of balls expelled from the barrel... not some made up number. Why can not people handle the fact that we just make some very fast stuff?

[hitech]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Why can not people handle the fact that we just make some very fast stuff?

Maybe because they don't believe anyone on blind faith? Now, I have never attempted to view any video to determine the speeds attainable (it doesn't matter to me), but what's so hard about making one? It's the "proof" that people here will believe. I'm going to make one for the hyperframe, and I'm sure you must have more resources that I do. Why not just provide the "proof"?

[Dayspring]

I love these threads...

Xen- You got OWNED by Doc. Accept it. I know a nice bridge for you.

W.A.S.- We don't take things at face value here on AO. HARD DATA is our friend and you know that already. Your already sketchy "proof" as you call it isn't what we ask for. We ask for specific items and you dodge the question or say "I've already proven it. And then you say "Why don't people believe me?"

Gee. Wonder why...

[WickedAirSportz]

Sketchy proof? We have videos... download them, and disect them.