New Odyssey Trigger!!!!!

[Jonesie]

Originally posted by cledford
Anyone care to elaborate on Bill, what he stands for, or why he's such a party pooper when it comes to BPS and how people shoot their guns?

Thanks,

-Calvin

I'm with you, Calvin. I'd like to know what in the world this guy does stand for. We should try to get him on chat...

Jonesie

[Temo Vryce]

OK the question has been put out as to wiether or not this will work for Mechanical mags or not. I can't see why it wouldn't. When I was playing and still owned a mag, that was how I pulled the trigger, with an up and down motion. I believe that the wheel would work on mechanical marker and if I can get my hands on a spare trigger I'll look into making it a wheel trigger and trying it out.

Now that being said I can't see it working on a marker with a long trigger pull like the one the Spyder has.

Anyone want to send me thier mag to test this with?

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5.21. The definition of a trigger is the movable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch will not be considered to be a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by
the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle.
Markers may fire at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that it fires in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is discharged during each
firing cycle.

Now to me, pulling down on the wheel would exert force on teh trigger causing the marker to cycle. Once you have passed your finger over the wheel you releasing this force on wheel and the trigger returns to the rest position. Pulling your finger back up does the same thing only in the opposite direction. Just because you don't have to pull backwards doesn't mean that you are doing a complete pull and release. You're just doing it differently. Clean up the wiper s and other cheaters first then worry about the way people pull the trigger.

[manike]

Originally posted by Temo Vryce
OK the question has been put out as to wiether or not this will work for Mechanical mags or not. I can't see why it wouldn't. When I was playing and still owned a mag, that was how I pulled the trigger, with an up and down motion. I believe that the wheel would work on mechanical marker and if I can get my hands on a spare trigger I'll look into making it a wheel trigger and trying it out.

The wheel might help, but I couldn't get the same effect with my x-mag when in manual as compared to electro...

[Temo Vryce]

Ok I can agree with that. It won't be as effective on a manual marker as it is on an electric but that doesn't mean it won't work.

It's kinda like the rifled barrel barrel debate. Spining the ball doesn't improve the accuracy but that doesn't mean rifling a barrel doesn't work.

*edit*
can't speel :)

[Evil Bob]

The reason why it won't work on a mechanical marker has to do with how the firing system is triggered. An electronic marker normally takes a mere few ounces of force on the trigger to actuate it. A mechanical marker usually takes a few POUNDS of pressure to trigger.

You are not simply going to waggle your finger on the roller on a trigger that requires several pounds to pull, it's not going to happen. It's the reason why people fan or twitch with their whole wrist/arm, it takes more force then a single finger sideways can exert.

-Evil Bob

[Cypres0099]

I just say we put one of these....

HAHAHA

on a RT mag with a normal frame, then we'll see who fires fast.

[CTG]

Just to make things a little more clear. The video is not with the new trigger. The video is with a standard emag trigger. I will send Tom a new video when I make one. Bill will have a hard time making this illegal because I can still do it without the wheel. The wheel just makes it easier to do with very little practice.

[rjvemt1]

i am at work and dont have time to read four pages of babbling so this may have already been asked...

you say it works on all electros. will you make a version for the hyperframes?

[orderofreason]

guys have been able to do that on matrixes for about 2 years now, without the roller ball.

[gimp]

Seems like you could do that without the little wheel there, if you adjust your trigger to be sensitive enough. It looks kind of neat, I'd try it. The main problem I see with it is that, you have to use 2 hands just to shoot. I wouldn't be able to fire to accuratly with that. And I wouldn't be able to shoot that at all with the warp feed on. I guess thats not much of a problem to the guy's at oddessy though. It just looks like it would be hard to be accurate while shooting. The only place I could see using it would be right off the break, like what Rob said. I think, if you really wanted to be creative, you could combine that trigger, with the Z-grip and make it so that you don't have to use 2 hands to use it. If you had the z-grip, then your hand would already be close to the correct position, you'd just need to modify the trigger so it was in the correct spot.

I think this trigger is a step in the right direction, but it still needs some work before I'd buy one. I guess what I'm trying to say is, make an E-Z-grip Mag, with the roller trigger, so that I can do it with one hand, and use the other hand to help with my aim. Then, I'd buy one.

[AGD]

Actuall I had a pointed conversation about this style of trigger with Bill two world cups ago. When I explained how it worked and asked if that would be illegal he said "I don't know, I would have to think about it." He went on to say that if I showed up with it he would probably have to let me play but I might not be able to use it at the next tourney.

AGD

[MagDog68]

I guess I am dense or something - what the hell was the point of all that 13bps cap that used to be talked about? Is there no industry cap on bps anymore? or was there any to begin with? Personally I love my E-Mag, but I have to tell you I hate shooting a case of paint in 8 minutes - and I am a frugal shooter!!!

It seems to me that ROF is getting way too crazy - to the point that the semis and full autos are almost indistinguishable. So for what its worth - who cares if you can shoot 15 bps or 18 bps? If you shoot that much and miss, you really suck anyway!

Just my 3:30 am $0.02.

~Fred "Sometimes I really miss my Plain '68'." Perry

PS - The trigger looks very kewl none the less.
PPS - Why the hell did I write "kewl"? Must be past my bedtime.

[nippinout]

This technique is possible on a normal trigger.

It's a legal pull and release on a normal trigger. Surely you can't regulate how a person actually physically accomplishes a pull and release with his finger. You can actually pull/release, tense your arm, or even fan the trigger. All legal ways to pull a trigger.

So the addition of a wheel raises controversy?

Isn't the wheel just acting as a way to reduce the sliding friction b/t finger and trigger?

On a 'normal' pull, your finger is putting a force vector parallel to the trigger's path of travel.

In the Odyssey pull, your finger is putting a force vector tangentinal to the trigger's path of travel. Due to the trigger's geometry and constricted path of travel, you still give the trigger a pull.

The Odyssey technique can be accomplished with or without a wheel. Tourneys can't possibly ban double triggers. The Odyssey technique can be done on any trigger, even a stick trigger.

So what's all the commotion about it being banned about?

[Q[TXR]]

From the NPPL rules 5.21

A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle.

There is certainly a gray area regarding the legality of this trigger, the judging could definitely go either way.

[jwa158]

has anybody ever tried firing that way but without using the roller on an electro? i have a matrix and that's how me an my friend shoots when we mess around. i put my thumb under the trigger guard an hit all 3 points on the trigger (bottom, middle, top). i can get 20bps on it an my friend can get 21 on his.