Another WAS thread down in Flames :(

[Ultimator]

If you believe so strongly in your product, why don't you set-up an Intimidator with your board in it and do the tests? Show us the data and if it's what you've said all along you'll silence everyone. Is it just me or does this seem to be the mos direct route to an answer to this BS?

Hmm...

[cledford]

The dwell was set at the factory recommended 8ms.

The shootdown was 2.5fps over a a 30 shot string - the "pattern" can be seen in the attached.

-Calvin

[cledford]

Second try for image...

[WickedAirSportz]

8ms is a factory recommended STARTING POINT. You may find that your marker works perfectly at 6ms, and having 2ms extra dwell unneccessarily will increase your cycle time, and thus slow down your rate of fire.

The Equalizer allows the dwell to be adjusted all the way down to 2ms (which is too low for any *current* solenoid). My marker works perfectly at 4.7ms, but will actually shoot as low as 3.5ms. The stock hardware won't even activate the solenoid at 4.7ms!

What was the rate of fire shown above in your graph? You should also set your velocity to tournament rules (300 fps).

[cledford]

This is all like a bad dream that keeps repeating it's self again and again...

The ROF was 14bps.

The dwell was set to the FACTORY RECOMMENDED value for the valve (looks like it's working fine to me).

The FPS was set at tourney level (at least the ones here), which is 285.

-Calvin

[MagDog68]

My head hurts

~Fred

PS I don't know why you people bother arguing with him - the Timmy is on FUGLY marker anyway.

[WickedAirSportz]

The dwell was set to the FACTORY RECOMMENDED value for the valve (looks like it's working fine to me).

Factory recommend value for the Kuroda solenoid is >=5 ms. Please consult the data sheet for this part.

The FPS was set at tourney level (at least the ones here), which is 285.

PanAm, PSP, NPPL, and NCPBA are all 300 fps. I have never even heard of a tournament having anything lower.

[mykroft]

WAS:

Valve!= Solenoid.

And the factory in question would be the one that builds the Intimidator, not the one who builds the solenoid, one should usually put hardware that has a little performance breathing room into a product, rather than running on the bleeding edge of spec.

From your description, your board allows you to not see shootdown when running the marker with a dwell set below the factory recommended settings. Good for you.

The fact remains that there is no shootdown problem on the Intimidator when it's set to factory recommended settings. You don't follow them and get shootdown, well that's your fault, not the Intimidator's. What you are doing is the notional equivalent of complaining about the cooling problem with Athlon's running the AMD provided heatsink/fan combination, of course it only crops up when running the CPU near it's max funcional clock speed, not the one spec'ed by AMD, and your solution is the notional equivalent of those aftermarket cooling rigs. yeah, you get more performance, but there actually wasn't a problem.

And I'm familiar with your day job. You're quite famous for doing the same sort of BS peddling in the Amiga and Mac worlds too.

[cledford]

Jim,

More smoke and mirrors.

Why do you even waste your time? What did you even say? You and I know that (regardless of what the *current* recommended dwell is) that it was first published by the factory as 6ms and then changed to 8ms for a fairly long period. (This can be verified by many posts in the PB Nation Timmy forum) Running at 8ms (good, bad, or indifferent) the marker shows negligible shootdown - so therefore 8ms works fine. Furthermore, the marker cycles at 14bps - so what does your statement really mean?

Onto the FPS issue, either go ahead and state that you think the 15 fps makes a difference, or stop raising no-issues. Not everyone plays in NPPL, PANAM or other tournament circuits. Around here the tourney and walk-on limits have always been 285. Again, what are you trying to say? I'm willing to say that that there is virtually no difference between the 2. Go ahead and post that the mythical "shoot-down" starts magically at exactly 300fps and not under it (or over it since we know tourney guns can't shoot hot).

Your last post was exactly why you are commonly refereed to as a snake-oil salesman. You say nothing when questioned directly or provided the opportunity - and when someone else does provide detailed info you attempt to discredit it in a round-about fashion. I interpret you last post as a veiled attempt to discredit the data I posted - while continuing to provided nothing relevant of your own. Your attempt to make the dwell an issue is a perfect example of your tactics, here is a quote from Terry59 (BLAST) in the Timmy forum:

Angryjonny,
If you have 2 black wires coming out from the bottom the solenoid, then it is a Parker (Hosheta/Kuroda) solenoid. The most common dwell setting is 8ms. If you have a select fire or SOB board, then set your dip switches 6,7,8 to up, up, down. Test over a chrono and if everything's ok then LEAVE IT ALONE!


-Calvin

[big E kingpin]

i like my emag.
sorry, thanks butters for the fastest gun i have ever seen

[WickedAirSportz]

With the stock Intimidator hardware, you almost have to use 8ms or longer for the dwell time BECAUSE of the problem with the electronics! If you set the value at what is NECESSARY for the fastest rate of fire possible (like tournament players need to do), you will find shootdown... simple as that.

The Equalizer comes with a dwell set to 8ms stock (to match what the stock boards are from the factory), but we recommend using the lowest possible dwell that you can get away with. This will increase your rate of fire dramatically as the cycle time drops dramatically the lower you set your dwell.