34bps?! What?!

[MagDog68]

Here we go with the "my gonads can smack your gonads around" crap again.

WAS - my question is how many balls can you shoot per second? Not how many cycles or partial cycles or holing the gun upside down. Not taping your finger or peeing on a flower or eating green eggs and ham. How many balls will come out of the long metal tube and hit a target 75 feet away in a 2 second period? If you don't say 60 balls in a 2 second period, go back to PBN and play with the kiddies, because its a matter of record that the Emagnum can SHOOT that fast. Who gives a rats arse how fast the thing can cycle if it can't shoot???

~Fred

PS I am not technically inclined at all - that is why I own a Mag!!!

[cledford]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367
umm... dude, i don't see any proof in that thread.. just a bunch of guys sayin' your poop smells great.

There was no chrono test info in the thread you linked. Some guy who had serious issues even spelling claimed to have conducted some chrono tests with multiple markers - but gave no specifics or measurable data. (If I missed it please cut-n-post here) Furthermore, the equipment he claims to use is incomplete and not very specific either. It caused me to question whether he had a chrono at all. If he does I'd like to know the type and model number.

Jim, you'll have to do better then dig up some guy in the Impulse forum to back up your hogwash.

-Calvin

P.S. If you're such a "rocket scientist" why can't you do your own testing and post the data, equipment, and conditions?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
You must have missed the chrono test info.

Then link us to it.

What a crock. You can never give a straight answer or back up your statements, can you.

If there is data post it. If you have proof provide it. Otherwise, you'd look far more intelligent if you just stayed quiet.

You start looking pretty ignorant when you can't even answer direct, intelligent questions without being evasive or defensive.

[WickedAirSportz]

Calvin,

That "some guy" is one of the more respected Impulse distributors, someone who has clout in that marker arena.

Yes, I can in fact set up equipment and provide you a bunch of numbers. They obviously are different from what you posted, so where does that leave us? I was waiting for someone else with a PACT chrono to provide some information, and that happened, so I thought I would point that out. No matter what I say, you guys here are never going to believe me - even if the end result is 100% accurate.

I did find it interesting that Mags actually increase velocity at high rates of fire... something that I did not know. I wonder how legal that is for tournament use?!

[shartley]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
I did find it interesting that Mags actually increase velocity at high rates of fire... something that I did not know. I wonder how legal that is for tournament use?!

Actually it is VERY legal for tournament use. If you crono your Mag correctly it compensates for that increase in velocity at higher rates of fire.

(Added: Good reading for those who don't know about the RT or Crono procedures.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=57030 )

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
I did find it interesting that Mags actually increase velocity at high rates of fire... something that I did not know. I wonder how legal that is for tournament use?!

There's a chrono procedure that ensures that the chrono is taken at the highest fps.

Don't start questioning the legality of other products when the manufacturer points out the way the product works adn the correct way to use it quite clearly.

I'd like to know how legal low DeBounce settings are for tournaments. A marker is only supposed to shoot one ball per pull. Any ball launched as a result of a switch bounce clearly violates that rule.

[WickedAirSportz]

I think you guys are very confused about what the Debounce setting on the Equalizer does. Let me explain this...

Some people like to have an extremely short trigger pull. The problem with this is that the recoil from the marker's pneumatics can cause the trigger to oscillate, allowing more than one shot per pull. By adjusting your Debounce setting, you can "dial out" that problem completely. Conversely, you can take a trigger with a lot of throw and make it more sensative.

With any electronic marker, you can cause a trigger to generate more than one shot per pull by deliberately setting it up that way. The Equalizer's Debounce offers a method to make your otherwise illegal trigger setup perfectly legal for tournament use.

Debounce, Dwell, and Reset are all locked out in COMPETITION (tournament) mode. Bill Cookston saw more than 200 players at the World Cup with Equalizers, and not a single player was pulled (or even warned to my knowledge) for having multiple shots on a single pull.

[bofh]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Yes, I can in fact set up equipment and provide you a bunch of numbers.

But of course you never have...

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
I did find it interesting that Mags actually increase velocity at high rates of fire... something that I did not know. I wonder how legal that is for tournament use?!

And this one little quote is what I love about you, Mr. Drew. I love how a such an intelligent man can jump into anything he put his mind too and still look like a complete idiot.

[BTAutoMag]

lol so now we are know as the "automag people"

he he he

thats going in my sig

[cledford]

"That "some guy" is one of the more respected Impulse distributors, someone who has clout in that marker arena."

I don't care how respected someone is - that doesn't prove anything - facts and data do. He can say whatever he wants - the Pact will print out the data, let's that. It will speak for it's self.

"I was waiting for someone else with a PACT chrono to provide some information, and that happened, so I thought I would point that out."

As soon as Pact opens I will call them and see how many shots per second the chrono can do. Since they don't say at the website I'm a little concerned about whether it can actually even record the strings - we'll see.

"I did find it interesting that Mags actually increase velocity at high rates of fire... something that I did not know. I wonder how legal that is for tournament use?! "

Very tournament legal. The "shoot-up" is well known and documented. RT owners/judges know the process for chrono to insure no hot shots. Once again, how is it that you claim to know so much about paintball and not know this? RT shootup is nothing new having been around for say 4 or 5 years now... Your narrow scope of knowledge about paintball in general raises it's head again and again. I don't expect you to know everything about every gun but when there are like what 3 to 4 general valve types in the world, most in the "industry" have at least a working knowledge...

[manike]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
By adjusting your Debounce setting, you can "dial out" that problem completely.

A lot of people are also using it to dial in bounce and effectively cheat.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Bill Cookston saw more than 200 players at the World Cup with Equalizers, and not a single player was pulled (or even warned to my knowledge) for having multiple shots on a single pull.

Actually many users were stopped from using Equalisers at the World Cup because of Trigger bounce. I know the Chrono judge who stopped them. And that was on just one field. I'm not sure but I think he said something about stopping 3-4 people on just one team because there was too much trigger bounce. I ought to go find him and get a statement.

manike

[WickedAirSportz]

I have stated before that I know little about the Mag family. It is not part of the industry that I am dealing with, or likely to ever deal with. The Mag is not currently a marker that is widely used by tournament players, which where my focus lies. I do see a large number of Mags in the rec ball scene.

I can tell you when refs are hired for $100 a day "no experience necessary" (such as at the World Cup this year), special chrono procedures would not occur.

[cledford]

Jim tends to throw names like Bob Long, Bill Cookston and others around to lend credence to his statements. They never seem to speak for themselves though...

-Calvin

[WickedAirSportz]

A lot of people are also using it to dial in bounce and effectively cheat.

Then those people should be pulled... just like those people that set their trigger up to short and recoil causes multiple shots.

I was at the cup for 10 days, and chatted with refs, players, and Bill Cookston. Not a single person ever stated to me that there was a problem with ANYONE having an illegal trigger. If you know Bill Cookston, you KNOW he would have been jumping down my throat for even just one player being illegal.

If a ref stops a player from going on to the field because of an illegal trigger setup (however the cause), then the ref did their job.

[cledford]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
I have stated before that I know little about the Mag family. It is not part of the industry that I am dealing with, or likely to ever deal with. The Mag is not currently a marker that is widely used by tournament players, which where my focus lies. I do see a large number of Mags in the rec ball scene.

I can tell you when refs are hired for $100 a day "no experience necessary" (such as at the World Cup this year), special chrono procedures would not occur.

Saying you know little and care not to know about the mag family is exactly my point. That is like saying the rotary engines are superior so you know about them but not other combustion types of engines.

Are you saying that you only know apple/macs because that is where your business lies and you don't need to know anything about PCs or say, Sun/UNIX workstations?

The point is that you can't be a "rocket scientist" about anything unless you know something about the entire field. Take that moniker down from your web-site and I'll shut up. Otherwise I'll say it again - you've got a good knowledge of electronics and managed to work that into the Timmy. By association with people like Jim Shuler, Bob and Terry (BLast) you've picked up some mechanical and pneumatic knowledge along the way - but not enough to be an expert at anything yet. Not knowing how major familys of marker work is a big gap in your understanding of the field.

-Calvin