What The Heck Happened??

[Tunaman]

Originally posted by magman007 well so many markers are out, that already have better specs than the e-mag like the ones i had listed above, [/B]

this is a total bull statement. Show me ONE marker that can hold a candle to the emags' .005" tolerance specifications...show me just one. Face it, the AGD guns ARE the HIGHEST quality markers on the planet...bar none.

[cledford]

This post is the heart of what kills AGD - crap myth and rumors. Personally I'm sick by what I see here, posted by forum regulars who should be showing the "light" to people not loading them down with inaccurate information to steer them away.

First, the ULE Emag is lighter then a fly angel - where did this heavy classification come from?!?!? The first gen Emag from 3 years ago? Come on...

Second, the trigger. That problem has been resolved with the 3.2 software. It's a little like comparing apples to oranges when the fastest markers (like Viking and Timmy) have software gimmicks built in to allow them to shoot faster (like shot buffering) there is an unfair advantage. Now the playing field is level with AGD using shot buffering also and EVERYONE who's see my ULE-Emag has been shocked by the ROF. Does the HES trigger setup require about .5 millimeter more travel distance? Sure, but if you are so incredibly fast that .5mm makes a difference in your shooting speed you then need to be asking "OK, my gun can cycle at XXbps, but can it fully recharge?" The Emag can - every other marker on the market is going to beat down.

On to the battery. 9vs? You've got to be kidding me! 9vs drop off in cold weather, 9vs can come out of the package bad, 9vs have to be changed and cost money. The single Emag battery can power your ENTIRE marker - gun, hopper, and warp feed. (This includes HALOs) Dump 3 9vs and 6 AAs from your marker setup and you at least break even on the Emag battery.

Efficiency? The issue is that the mag can't go as deep into the bottle (I can run my Viking down to about ~300psi) as it requires about ~850psi to operate. If we're talking about tourney ball here I fail to see the problem since you get all day air and fill before every game. Manny and Jay both run with 45/45s so with one of the new 72s I can't see a problem for anyone other then a back player - but even then you've got a choice of an 88.

The reason the Mag has disappeared from the tourney scene is due to AGD turning virtually all of their resources away from paintball to develop the FN303 non-lethal launcher which uses the mag valve! If the US military considered the valve tough enough then that should be good enough for everyone else... Anyhow, with the marketing, hype, MYTH driven nature of paintball AGD has gotten passed by other companies that market better but don't engineer half as good. Paintball always suffered from a myth driven market - but with all of the glossy magazines and "professional players" these days things have gotten a lot worse. Tom tries to market the AGD line the product, not the personality using it. Unfortunately with the kids (95% of the sport) inundated with images of good "bad-boy" pros with "images" that they can model their personalities after AGD doesn't really stand a chance. In reality, the AGD line appeals to the geeks of the world. The ones who expect performance, engineering, and data to back it up. Those (in the majority) who need to be like Chris, Rocky, Ed or whoever will buy their marker based on it being an accessory to their outfit.

-Calvin

[Gman63]

Just to chime in here. Anyone who thinks an Emag cannot keep up, your kidden yourself. If you really think you can work a trigger at 20 BPS or more I am sure the government would like to find out how your able to get your fast twitch muscles to do it. I have shot just about every marker out there and ripped on them as fast as I could. Sure the E-bladed free flows, Timmy's and even some Impys I shot were sick fast. Would I let you on the field with them? No Way, Bounce or shooting more than once per trigger pull is illegal, Peroid! With that said, my E-mag with ULE and lvl 10 is very light, and with the 3.2 software and a properly wired solinoid gets no bounce even with my shot buffer at 4 and when comparied with guns shooting legally, I have yet to find anything as fast. And as far as chopping, I have only had the marker about 1 month, more than 5 cases, No chops! Even though the gun requires high input pressure the actual pressure in the barrel acting on the paintball is no more than What everyone refers to as a low pressure marker. Oh yeah, before anyone starts trying to flame me on that statement, I would suggest you go back and review some of your Physics notes relating to pressure and do the calculations. Everything has to balance..

[xXHavokXx]

I think the reason the mag got left behind was the lack of advertising on the field. People are groupies, if you go to a field when you are new and you see people doing well and look at their set up its going to leave an opinion in your mind. Personally when i was new i saw angels tearing it up so ive had that impression. This especially holds true to "pro" or circuit tourney teams. How many teams are out with mags besides the AGD teams?


AGD also makes very little presence out here on the west coast.Out here it is rare to see a mag other than a beat up faded, drab grey old classic being used as a rental. When i went back east i saw more mags per hour than i had in my entire life.

With the Xmag i can see AGD progressing from drab and block to smooth and bright, now they just need more teams and more ads to get it out.