wgp cocker speed ?

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  • tippihater
    Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 49

    #1

    wgp cocker speed ?

    what would be some things i could put on a 03 cocker, to make it faster, like a smoother, lighter trigger pull....
    3 way? n e thing like that,,,,,,,,name the item, and how much

    thnx guys
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  • toyotaboy12
    e-tough

    • May 2003
    • 3663

    #2
    new trigger frame
    an elec. frame like an eblade or racframe run you about 400

    while there are other trigger frames out there that are like 80 and improve your trigger pull, i cant remember the name, e- something

    this wont improve you trigger pull but improve your gun.
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    • dinger
      I AM THE BIG DINGER!!
      • Jul 2003
      • 1267

      #3
      ct 3-way 38$
      spring kit 5$ or 8$ depending on size
      mpp ram 35$

      thats fast light and smooth for you

      oh, and a jackle high speed delrin bolt if you want a lighter bolt, and you can time the gun without taking the bolt out because of a cut in the bolt
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      • Ginjiroku
        Dazed and Confused
        • Dec 2003
        • 382

        #4

        these are supposed to be the best bolts around.

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        • Wc Keep

          #5
          front block on my cocker will consist of a shocktech bomb 3 way a belsales ram and palmer rock reg. dont know anything bout bolts though. i dont think they help much actually.

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          • Wc Keep

            #6
            also this is pure opinion but i like the regular hinge frame instead of the eblade. i am faster on the wgp hinge than on any electro.

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            • Derman2k
              MSG Regulators
              • Oct 2002
              • 896

              #7
              Originally posted by Wc Keep
              front block on my cocker will consist of a shocktech bomb 3 way a belsales ram and palmer rock reg. dont know anything bout bolts though. i dont think they help much actually.
              About the bolt... An all delron bolt will be better than an all metal bolt. You don't have to oil it and it lightens the cocking mass, so that means less kick.
              My feedback...
              http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=59553

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              • Torbo
                teamless
                • Apr 2003
                • 1737

                #8
                just hook yourself up with a trigger job on the stock frame....if its set up correctly the wgp hinge is just as good as any available.

                the stock pneus are good enough, no reason to replace them right off the bat...a new bolt is nice tho. again, not necessary.
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                • LeatherPants
                  Bunkers fear me!
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1098

                  #9
                  Do you want to go electro or not?

                  If you don't I reccomend a Belsales 3way. It is the smoothest 3 way that I have found. The Shocktech Bomb is short BUT really not that smooth.

                  Go for the best. And make sure who ever times it knows what they are doing.

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                  • PaintballSmurf13
                    Registered User
                    • May 2003
                    • 271

                    #10
                    you don't need much.
                    orracle 3-way
                    delrin bolt
                    Eclipse Hinge frame
                    ....and that's about it..speed wise..
                    my gun set up is pretty nice..i'm pretty happy w/ it, just need the orracle 3-way..

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                    • ICOM
                      zee best
                      • May 2002
                      • 1372

                      #11
                      i would say for a front block have, besales 3 way,kapp fatram, palmers reg

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                      • bratch
                        Registered User
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 470

                        #12
                        I'm going for a light mass on my new race. I just ordered a Slik back block. I will be getting the Jakal bolt and hammer as soon as I can get ahold of G3. For light those are my sugestions. Smooth would be a nice ram, maybe with QEVs not sure if you would need them for mech but for $20 couldn't hurt. I have always heard good things about roller sears if you are keeping the slider (does the 03 even have a slider or are they all hinges?). Thats all I can think of for now.

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                        • nerobro
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 923

                          #13
                          Well.. I'd go with a 3 way that has brass inside so you can polish it to a very nice finish.. Say something like a ANGRY 3 way from belsales. Though something like a bomb is acceptable, just keep it properly lubed.

                          The real keys to a light smooth trigger pull is making things close, but not so close they bind.

                          If you want the trigger shorter, you may have to give up some smoothness. If you want a silky trigger pull, you'll want a cone, or rounded sear lug, and a polished sear back.

                          If you're running a hinge there's not a lot you can to do smoothen up the trigger pull, but the best trigger frames are Eclipse, and KAPP.

                          Front end components dont' have a whole lot to do with trigger feel. The stock ram is dandy for good trigger pulls becuase it's a large diameter ram. Minirams will only hurt the trigger feel beucase of their smaller diameter requireing higher LPR pressures.

                          An adjustable LPR is nice... but the stock one can be adjusted too. And since you only need to adjust it once or twice a season, I find that degassing the gun and adjusting it to be acceptable.

                          the lower your LPR pressure the lighter the trigger ( or sear spring in the case of a hinge frame ) spring you can reasonably run is.

                          it's really a large ballancing act. But the first step to a good trigger pull, is a large set of springs you can futz with. You want to run the lightest hammer spring you can get away with, that will let you run a lighter sear spring, and then you can run a lighter trigger spring.

                          Longer springs, with more coils, are better. Lower spring rates mean that your trigger will have the same weight for more of the pull, instead of it ramping to much higher forces as you pull the trigger. (what I'm saying is dont' cut your trigger spring, replace it with a lighter spring, preferably a longer spring)
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                          • LeatherPants
                            Bunkers fear me!
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 1098

                            #14
                            Don't get the Orracel 3 way it's aPOS. Also if you get the Eclipse Blade hinge trigger you can swap out the springs to make the pull even smoother. You can use the springs that come in the Maddman kit.

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                            • Major Ho
                              Long time no see
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 1262

                              #15
                              I cant recommend the orracle tickler LPR to anyone anymore. Between the two Ive used they both suck. Its flow rate could probably barely keep a mouses' tit full of air.
                              I have no idea what that means...
                              So anyways, stay away from that LPR cuz it will slow you down. I have no idea how the orracle eblades have those same regs on there to keep them running.

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