Newer Software??? 4.0???

[RoadDawg]

Ya hitech. I walk my emag which is set really light at around 14-17 max. I'm still unable to rake the trigger any higher then 10. Single finger pull is around 7 or 8. So your readings are pretty close to mine.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Curly
Hitech: Those numbers seem perfectly good to me. I know that I can get at least 14 walking a timmy with no air and no bounce, so you walking 10 sounds fine to me.

Yeah, all the numbers seem okay, except the last one, manike's raking technique. I find it hard to believe that I can reach those speeds. That's actually why I tried the other techniques. I wanted a reality check.

Roaddawg, thanks for the additional confirmation. Maybe I will be able to rake that fast.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by hitech
I am still skeptical of the ROF numbers I’m getting. Miscue, how do you determine the MAX ROF number again?

I’ve never considered myself fast. Normally I just pull the trigger with on finger. With 4.0 I have tried out of few techniques. Here is what I got:

1. Just pulling the trigger with one finger = 7 bps
2. Fanning = 10bps
3. Hitech’s odd walking technique = 10bps
4. Raking the center hump = 13 bps
5. Manike’s raking technique = 20bps once, normally 18-19bps

This is without air (my wife hates it when I shoot in the house ). I turned the solenoid off to insure I wasn’t getting any solenoid/HES “bounce”.

With manike’s raking technique it wasn’t hard to consistently reach those numbers. If I can really fire paint with those numbers I’ll impress myself.

BTW, it did not seem to matter if the ROF cap was set at 20 or 26. Personally that speaks volumes for the software. I think miscue did a great job, and I write software for a living.

Thanks for the compliment!

Yes, what it does is: Every time it fires, it increments a counter. Every second it resets that counter. The highest it achieves is saved as the MAX bps. The firing subroutine is linked with the bps increment... it cannot be incremented unless it attempted to fire. That's the keyword, "attempted."

That's the current project right now, getting attempted shots to mechanically fire.

[Gecko]

miscue
i'm trying to add a break beam eye system to my emag. Curious if your code would support that?
I'm hoping if i put a logic inverter inline between the break beam and the emag board it will work. As i understand it the reflective eye sends a high signal when a ball is detected and a a break beam system has a low signal when the ball is detected. Am i totally offbase?
thanks

[Miscue]

Logic high = ball in breech ready to fire. Logic low = no ball in breech.

I can probably invert the logic for you when you get to that point, so you won't need an extra part.

[logamus]

Originally posted by hitech

5. Manike’s raking technique = 20bps once, normally 18-19bps

i shall have him teach me this at the dallas meet. that sounds awesome as i am no god on the trigger.

[RoadDawg]

Well I haven't switched my wires but I adjusted my trigger farther out and put in stronger magnets and it still multi fires. I'll have to try switching the wires soon and report if it fixed it or not.

[hitech]

Originally posted by logamus
That sounds awesome as i am no god on the trigger.

Me either. I've never been any good at any of the techniques. Look at my numbers. The only one I was any good at was manike's raking technique. Guess it was a benefit of sharing a room with him at AO SE Day II.

[gibby]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
Well I haven't switched my wires but I adjusted my trigger farther out and put in stronger magnets and it still multi fires. I'll have to try switching the wires soon and report if it fixed it or not.

I forgot who told me, but I heard just twisting the two wires would help solve this problem? So just take out the solenoid, give it a twist and install it back into the trigger frame. See if that works. I haven't had any problems with it yet...we'll see.

I've also tweaked my trigger some so it's much shorter and it's so much easier to walk. My average was around the 15-17 bps. Great stuff!

[lamby]

Miscue,

Thanks for the information. I wish there was a way to get the source file so people could modify it is they would like, but the hex file would be fine too. If there anyway that the breakdown of the hex would be released so we could modify our boot screen via a program like winhex then flash it back with gcc? I dont want to program the chip as I know nothing about assy, and very little about any other programming language (I was a basic guru back in the c-64 days though ) But it would be nice to enter your name ect to the led screen on bootup.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by lamby
Miscue,

Thanks for the information. I wish there was a way to get the source file so people could modify it is they would like, but the hex file would be fine too. If there anyway that the breakdown of the hex would be released so we could modify our boot screen via a program like winhex then flash it back with gcc?

We'll have a better way than that to do it.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

yeah...how about someone actually making legitimate patch cables so I can start flashing people once 4.0 is released officially (or whatever version of the Q-Code becomes the first released AGD software version)?

[purplemag]

I am curious Miscue...you said 4.0 was Tom's code and not yours? Did you write it and then sell the rights of it to AGD? Who writes/wrote the other E-mag codes(1.37,3.2)? Just wondering!

[Miscue]

Originally posted by purplemag
I am curious Miscue...you said 4.0 was Tom's code and not yours? Did you write it and then sell the rights of it to AGD? Who writes/wrote the other E-mag codes(1.37,3.2)? Just wondering!

I think some guys from England wrote it, not sure exactly. People John Sosta knows, I believe.

I don't want to be liable for software that I am not making any profit off of... considering that this thing helps control 200mph projectiles. So, if it becomes AGD's instead of mine... I don't have to worry about that.

I didn't so much sell it, as I did gave it to AGD. I originally wrote it on my own, without anyone asking me to do so. My chief concern was improving upon the E/XMag and making this available to everyone. But Tom's a fair guy, and I'll be taken care of with gear or something, which is more than I expected.

But my real reward is the accomplishment of completing a project of this nature, a first for me. It gives me confidence for projects I have in mind that are 10-100+ times bigger. When I first had the idea... I thought... man, that's gonna take a long time... and I wasn't sure if I could produce the results I was aiming for because it's a very small chip with only room for 1K of instructions. But I figured I won't know until I try, and now I've answered those questions.

I have considered getting some custom PCBs made, and use a nicer chip... maybe a PIC Micro with a bootloader. I know that I could make boards that are among the best out there, if I chose to. I dunno, we'll see what happens this year.

[Tobe2be]

its all miscues plot to make money... think about it if i get 4.0 i will shoot 26 bps meaning i will shoot more paint. i bet Q got some cash invested in paintball manufacturing. its all his evil scheme