BUSHY vs IMP

[Ross57969]

I know a lot of you out there hate smartparts. I know one part of the reason you hate them is bc of the whole patent thing. Well i was planning on getting a RED Impulse with Vision and a 2 piece dye ultralite to go with it. All this would come out to be somewhere between 650-670. All this talk about bushy's being better has made me think twice. Why should i get a bushy over an imp? And what can you recomended to me in my price range?(keep in mind i still want an upgraded barrel)

[tony3]

go to www.e-paintballoutlet.com look for rat jrs. buy one with the super pack for 525, then get a was board for it for 150, best gun brand new for 675, if you are going to look used find a gz timmy for 675 or so

[punkncat]

I don't know how anyone could really say that one of those is better that the other.
I think the Impy comes with better regs out of the box , but that is easily fixed.
Both come available with eyes , and both of them rock.Roughly the same size and weight.Whatever you like and can find a good deal on.....I do think the Impy's hold their resale a little better , but that may have changed with the court battle thing going on.

[Ross57969]

was board ? what is that? also, i dont see any bushy's there

[$tevo]

why dont you just go with a rt pro. get them for like 400, then buy a barrel kit so that = 550 about? then you can get nitro or if you already have nitro you have left over cash to go ballin

[tony3]

was board is just like the was boards for timmys, new circuit boards that give you lots of features such as debounce, unlimited rof, and adjustable solenoid output, pretty much makes the gun not chop, get rid of fsdo, and makes it insanely fast

[Ross57969]

ok tony, but i dont see any bushmasters on that site. It looks like it is mainly all impulse. i heard about the chaos chip for a bushy.....is that any good?

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by punkncat
Both come available with eyes , and both of them rock.Roughly the same size and weight.

The Bushy's PDS is much better than the Imp's reflective eyes. The Bushy is also noticeably smaller and lighter than the Impulse.

[Ross57969]

ICD BUSHMASTER RED with chaos chip and 2 piece dye ultralite- 640

RED VISION IMPULSE WITH 2 piece ultralite- 660

PCD 04 bushy with 2 piece ultralite- 720

[Ross57969]

I was looking at the RJR impulse with super pack and VFF and the RAT 03' package. I like this package, but i have one question......will my evo 2 fit in the the no rise neck? I sanded down my evo 2 to fit in the standard imp feed neck, but i sent the gun back bc it was messed up.

[paintball boy 20]

i suggest the bushy. You can get them at 888paintball.com
they are much lighter than the impulse. They have a better eye system and you can upgrade to the chaos board(its just as fast as WAS) for $75. The stock bushy board is pretty fast tho. Also the anno on my red bushy is really strong and scratch resistent. It just feels like all around better quality than my friends Rat jr. The only bad thing about the bushy is that it could use a new reg.
Rat jr + vision + ul= 765
Bushy(pds)+ chaos + torpedo/cp reg + ul=750

[armyboot]

Hmm

This is copy and pasted from Hellborecanon over @ pbnation.

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I will go into it because I am also a lazy bastard but I'm at work, and I'd rather write about paintball guns than do my work so here goes...

The Vision Impulse most likely will come without an LPR. What this means is the solenoid, which was designed to operate under 100 PSI, has to operate at more like 180 PSI or more, because that's what the normal regulator runs at. TO make this possible and save money by not putting an LPR on, Smart Parts puts a stiffer spring in the solenoid so it won't leak at this higher pressure.

Now, because your air source for the solenoid is shared by your valve, when you fire quickly, your gun will not have enough air available to the solenoid, because it will all rush out the valve too quickly.

This causes the solenoid to not have enough air pressure to push the bolt back, closing the valve. So, you get your valve held open too long or your gun doesn't fully open and close the bolt correctly and you can chop. Also, it makes a sickly noise because it is starving for air.

That's not all. Because the pressure the ram and solenoid are running at is so high, and the poor design of the ram, the seals get partially wedged between the piston and ram cylinder wall by the air pressure from teh bolt sitting in its back position for a few minutes, then when you go to fire, it has to overcome this sticking or friction, which makes the ram move forward with less force, meaning the hammer hits the valve with less force. After the first shot, however, the seal is freed up and gets some lube on it and stuff, so the ram moves more freely. This is called FSDO or First Shot Dropoff. What it means is that if you haven't shot your gun for a few minutes, when you fire, the first shot will be much lower FPS than the rest of your shots. Makes it hard to snap-shoot! Also, did I mention running the ram at this high pressure makes the gun chop more easily because the bolt smacks the ball harder?

A similar thing happens with the solenoid too. Even if you put an LPR on to separate the air passages to the valve and solenoid, and you regulate the solenoid pressure down to around 70 PSI like it should be, the solenoid will not work properly at these lower, normal pressures, because it has been jury-rigged by Smart Parts to run at a higher pressure. So, by fixing the air starvation and consistency problem of having no LPR, you actually end up causing a new problem, the solenoid sticking! This causes... You guessed it, FSDO again! It is too hard for the lower pressure to move the piston in the solenoid since it has a heavier spring now.

Then you will eventually end up stripping some screw's threads because the Impulse bodies are made of softer aluminum than most guns. Doc Nickel calls it "velveeta grade aluminum". He is one of the best airsmiths out there and he jokes about this because he receives SO many impulses that need repair from stripped screws.

You will also notice the Impulse is larger, heavier, just as tall, longer, and wider than the Bushmaster.

The Impulse Vision has a reflective eye. This means it shines a light that has to bounce off the ball, reflect back into the eye so it can see it. Of course, the color, texture, shinyness, etc. of your paint effects how well light bounces off it, and whether the light gets diffused and such. So, some colors of paint will not be "seen" as well by this reflective eye. It is in general not a very reliable or consistent way to sense paint and you'll probably chop anyway with it.

The Bushmaster PDS is a MUCH more precise system. It is a break-beam eye, meaning the light shines from one side of the breech and is "seen" on the other side. The ball blocks the beam when it falls into the breech, which is how the gun knows there's a ball there. It doesn't matter one bit what color the paint or your bolt is, as long as your paint isn't CLEAR and see-through LOL, and there's no such paint on the market so... the PDS system is the best.

Bushmasters use a normal solenoid that runs in the pressure range it was designed for, not some jury-rigged cost cutting setup. They have separate high and low pressure regulators and no dorky-looking external hoses are required (like on the imp) to use an LPR. Bushmasters do not suffer from first-shot dropoff at all. Bushmasters are generally quieter, kick less, and more efficient. Kick less because the hammer on the Bushmaster is much smaller than the Impulse, more efficient probably because the air passages aren't HUGE and oversized like on the Impulse, so less gas is wasted due to premature expansion, and I'm not sure why they are quieter but they are. They sound nice, kind of a "thump thump" sound instead of the Impulse's "cough cough cough" sound.

You should also know that the Impulse was made as a direct copy of the Bushmaster, only Smart Parts did some things different to save themselves money so they would make more profit, like not having an LPR, using cheaper metal, etc.

I must also mention that by buying a Vision Impulse you are supporting a greedy company who is trying to take over the paintball industry by making other companies go out of business or pay them money. They are resorting to litigation to make money because they know they can't compete in the fair market. They are the biggest problem in the paintball world right now and I don't think you should help their cause by giving them more money.

Sorry if this wasn't real well-written, I was just kind of typing it out really really fast in a sort of stream of conciousness way.
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[shadowfalcon78]

Bushy!

[O_o]

Bushy is better IMO. Requires less upgrading just to work great and if u do upgrade, it just makes it even better !!
The stock board is capped at 37bps i believe, the PDS system is great, stock delrin bolt, light, pretty efficient. Plus it comes stock with cocker threading so there's a vast array or barrels to choose from.

2004 bushy by the way

[Timmee]

I would also like to put my vote in for the Bushmaster. I've got one, and I love it. I had a Timmy as well, and I prefered the Bushy over it (no tools needed to take the ram out of the body, smaller, lighter, and every bit as fast, consistent, and accurate as my Timmy).