Warp/Sell/Armotech Problem

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

My friend recently purchased a warp loader off of me and he was obviously having some problems with it. First i only gave him the screws to mount the warp on the warp bracket...ok...so that's semi my fault. So he comes over and i offer him screws to mount the bracket to his gun (a armotech wgsomething). None of the screws work...so i finally find some screws that work but they are too long. so i give the screws to him and tell him to cut them short.

He takes them but i dunno what he does with them. Then he goes to menards or home depot and finds all these screws. He sais he found one that works but he sais they fall out if any weight is put on them...(right them i'm thinking...then you didnt get the right screws).

Then he sais he wants a refund. I tell him that i would gladly refund his money if there was something wrong with the warp. But there isn't anything wrong with the warp. He's just having trouble mounting it to his marker because he can't find the correct screws for his marker.

I told him that i won't refund it if there is nothing wrong with it. He replies with "**** you!"

now i'm being EXTREMELY nice to offer him to refund it for equipment. And then he just stops talking.



So now that you have read my story...i'm here to ask everyone for help. What kind of screws do armotech markers take?

AND

Should I give him back his money?

Thanks,
SnYpER

[PolishSausage]

Yes

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

.....a little more detail....like...WHY should i refund it?

[PolishSausage]

Unless you stated to him that you didn't have all the necessary mounting equipment, you should refund him his money. It shouldn't be the buyers problem of finding the necessary parts in order to mount that warp. Car Dealerships dont sell vehicles that are missing doors or tires, and likewise, you shouln't have sold him a warp when he was under the impression that he would recieve everything he needed to make it work.


It's also the decent thing to do.

Kindness goes a very long way in life, if you honestly have a problem with refunding him his money, offer to refund him the money he's already spent on buying screws, and then go to a lowes, Home Depot, Sears, etc. and get him the right parts.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

no it came with everything. i even told him that he will need to find the screws to mount it onto the armotech. but since he didnt i gave him screws for free. but armotech markers have some very strange threads that normal screws that can be used on every single gun don't work on it. so i went to my garage and took out some screws and tested it out. one of them seemed to work but they were too long. so i told him to cut them. i knew that i had the equipment to cut it for him but i had misplaced it.

But i have no clue what he did to the screws.

[PolishSausage]

You don't have to justify to me why you don't want to give him his money back, I'm an objective party. But from my stand point it seems you sold him something that was incomplete.

Cutting the screws should not have been the answer. Finding the right ones and getting them to him in a timely matter should have.

But again, just my opinion

[cledford]

I say no, do not refund the money. Although it shouldn't happen - often "stuff" does. You forgot to put the screws in the package - so send them to him ASAP - like priority mail at the least. That is the "right" thing to do. Frankly, the screws could be had at a PB shop or any local hardware store. To claim that the deal should be reversed because he can't find them, or is unwilling to wait for your speedy rectification of the problem is him just wanting a "pass" since now he's decided the warp isn't for him - after getting a chance to review it. I feel that I go WAY beyond as a trader (check my feedback - all excellent) but I would not feel obligated to refund the money - UNLESS it was an agreement at the outset - like a 24 or 48 hour "review period."

-Calvin

[Lord_Whoopass]

Dont listen to Polish cuz A.) I dont think he even knows what yer saying and B.) he has a Vote bush thing in his sig...

But anyways I say that yer not obligated to give him a refund because he should be able to get the screws from a local hardware store to fit the gun... and also shouldnt he have the right screw thread type from the asa or drop that was screwed into it? all you would have to do is take it to menards for example and match the threads on the testers they have there and get the same threaded bolts just a little bit longer...

Only thing is though that if this is your friend it would probably be best thing to your friendship to give him a refund...

[deathstalker]

Just take him to the hardware store with his trigger frame and the mounting bracket. You'll be in and out in all of 10 minutes and it'll cost less than 50 cents. Besides, a brand new Warp does not come with screws to mount it to the marker.

If he still wants a refund, then just give him his money back and sell it to someone else. If he's your friend, there's no reason to let paintball gear stand in the way of anything.

[vf-xx]

Unless I"m completely mistaken the warp doesn't come with botomline screws (and I'm presuming that's what we're looking for).

It's generally assumed that everybody has a drop or bottomline ASA or something.

If that is true then you're really not responsible because that's not stock warp equipment.

[teufelhunden]

I agree. You supplied everything that came with the Warp feed, and being expected to find your own screws isn't anything out of the ordinary. Lots of drops/etc that you buy new require you to purchase your own mounting screws. It's not your problem if the buyer isn't able to find something while at the same time losing a sample you gave him.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

he did go to the hardware store. he said he got the screws. but then he sais they fall out... so obviously he didnt get the right screws.

[PolishSausage]

Originally posted by Lord_Whoopass
Dont listen to Polish cuz A.) I dont think he even knows what yer saying and B.) he has a Vote bush thing in his sig...

But anyways I say that yer not obligated to give him a refund because he should be able to get the screws from a local hardware store to fit the gun... and also shouldnt he have the right screw thread type from the asa or drop that was screwed into it? all you would have to do is take it to menards for example and match the threads on the testers they have there and get the same threaded bolts just a little bit longer...

Only thing is though that if this is your friend it would probably be best thing to your friendship to give him a refund...

Oh, right, I forgot that having an opinion and being politically minded made my advice null and void

[ramennoodles]

1)no, don't refund him. You gave hime everything the warp comes with and told him what he needed to buy.

2)no, "having an opinion and being politically minded" does not make your advice null and void, Being a fan of bush makes your advice null and void.

[-=Squid=-]

to me, screws are an unnecesary thing to include when trading etc... I dont expect screws when I buy a drop, or grips, or whatever. Tell him to shut up, you tried to help, and if hes gonna be ugly about it tell him to go find his own screws.