Dragon Timmy vs. Angel Speed

[cphilip]

Speed.

[Woogie12]

I believe that player is chris lasoya.

[MarkM]

Originally posted by SpecialBlend2786
I'd go for a Warped Sportz Speed Demon. It comes with a beam-break eye, which eliminates sensi problems. plus it looks awesome in that red dust color

The Speed Demon does not come with the eyes that is a modification done at Warped La

[wobbles82]

That is correct, it is an EXTRA meaning you pay a bit more for it,although ACE changes the Angels lack of "reliable anti chop" (although ive seen some very nice SENSI setups). ONTO THE DEBATE. Hrm this is tough, Not factoring price in is also tough.

The Speed is a very very nice marker, I think the milling is lacking as compared to the IR3's and LCDS but its just downright nicer in terms of working. The Sensi is a bit finicky, as compared to the Timmy eye.

The accuracy and whatnot on both will be pretty much the same. The Speed has a bit of kick before its broken in, and the Timmy does also. DO NOT listen to any of this, oh the Timmy kicks around, or the Speed moves around, no...no..no, hold the gun down with at least one hand and your good to go.

I think your real differences come in the overall aspect of the gun. The Timmy is lighter, the Dragon is the lightest "non new age" Timmy out there, and im quite sure its lighter than the Speed. The Clamshell to me is just as comfortable as the Space frame and its stock trigger setup.

Both are crazy fast, but it should be noted HK aint happening..if you dont know the guys personally. You can ACE the Angel for a surefire eye, but as for a WAS in that sucker...learn to play your cards with SoCal kids VERY VERY WELL heh. IMO they are going to be the same speed, accuracy, all that jazz. I would just take the Dragon because I prefer the Timmys feel and just downright like em more.

(As for maintenance..dont throw either gun into a bunker, and your fine..all these Timmy tech stories can be matched by Angel stories, but the best story is when ya have no story about either, )

Note: Ive heard Warped is taking up WAS boards now..give em a call, then..maybe consider an ACED WAS'd Angel if you like the Angel more.

[Rope a Dope]

Yep thats a check-it low rise clamping feedneck on mine. Got it at the same time I got my volumizer and soft touch bolt from TAG :)

There is a mod you can do to the Speed that makes it kick like a Matrix, meaning NO KICK at all. I've done it on 12 Speeds and 1 A4 so far and everyone has come back saying it's like a different gun!

Basicly, you set your LPR from 80psi to 55psi, your dwell from 12ms to 17ms and throw on a large volumizer. The gun will shoot like a matrix, no kick and super soft on brittle cold paint. It also makes the gun sound like a whisper when it shoots. Pretty awesome and easy to do, all the guns I have done this on besides my own have been done at my field on a large spool, I've done so many I can do it with my eyes closed, lol. Look on the Angel forum and PBNation forum, more and more people are doing this and loving it. They say you use more air, WDP techs said maybe a pod a tank you lose with this mod.. I haven't noticed a thing and some people said their gun uses less air, although I think it's because they aren't breaking paint in cold weather anymore and without the kick they are shooting more accuratly so they dont have to dump as much paint. :)

[sneakyhacker420]

timmy... all the way

[tony3]

Originally posted by GA Devil
I would go with the speed cause I dont care for spyders. Look at major events at which guns are being worked on the most cause of problems. You will see alot more timmies piled up waiting for techs to fix problems then you will angels in general.

Maybe because no one uses angels at major events anymore:o There are the few teams left that still do, but most are in super 7. Most guys will be using timmys, imps and trixes. So lets put this together, lets say 300 people use timmys and 30 people use angels, so lets say there are 10 angels that need to be teched, now do you think there is going to be 10 timmys to be teched or more then 10? You can figure that out for yourself...

[Rope a Dope]

No one uses Angels at major events anymore? Funny... up until 2 months ago I thought Dynasty, that won the cup, used Angels.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by Rope a Dope
I haven't noticed a thing and some people said their gun uses less air, although I think it's because they aren't breaking paint in cold weather anymore and without the kick they are shooting more accuratly so they dont have to dump as much paint. :)

That doesn't mean they use less air, it just means they have more left after the game because they shot less. Big, big difference.

Originally posted by tony3
So lets put this together, lets say 300 people use timmys and 30 people use angels, so lets say there are 10 angels that need to be teched, now do you think there is going to be 10 timmys to be teched or more then 10? You can figure that out for yourself...

I'm still trying to figure out how you can say how much a particular type of marker will need to be teched on based on anothers probability to be teched on...

[sneakyhacker420]

complicity of the marker.... timmy is alot simpler in design than any angel

[bokraham]

be an individual and get a viking.

[Rope a Dope]

Originally posted by FallNAngel

That doesn't mean they use less air, it just means they have more left after the game because they shot less. Big, big difference.

Yeah... I know, that's what I implied. They THINK it's using less air when it is actually using MORE due to higher volume lower pressure.

I really haven't noticed that much of a difference. I'm a back player so I dump lots of paint and I use a 68/4500 tank and my field fills up to 4500psi so I always have plenty of air since the Angel Speed is very efficient to begin with, this mod didn't change efficiency all that much for me.

Also... I know I'll get flamed here, but ok, it SEEMS like the shots are flatter. not more range, but instead of a nice arc.. it kinda shoots straight out and drops at the end. It just seems that way after I did this mod and all 12 of the other people who's gun I did it to said the same thing. Must be the magic elves... lol

[Woogie12]

Actually, when you lower your lpr, raise your dwell, and use a volumizer, you can lower your tank output pressure so it would use less air. Atleast I think that's how it works. Makes sense.

[tony3]

Originally posted by Rope a Dope
No one uses Angels at major events anymore? Funny... up until 2 months ago I thought Dynasty, that won the cup, used Angels.

If you actually read my post you would realize I said a few still do.....

Originally posted by FallNAngel

I'm still trying to figure out how you can say how much a particular type of marker will need to be teched on based on anothers probability to be teched on...

fine lets put it this way, 30 angels, 300 timmys, which booth is going to have more guns to tech timmys or angels? Obviously the national or bob long booth.

[mag-hatter]

its so amazing how people base what gun they get on what pro team uses them its so freakin STUPID!!!!!! its not the gun, its the tactics. the gun only counts if its like a spyder classic vs a damn emag or something but up where the guns are 1k and up, it doesnt matter at all they are all the same, they all fire at the same rate of fire, they're all as smooth and chop free, and the only thing that matters is what team is sponsored by whom, its not like they have tha tmuch of a choice as to what gun they get to use so base it on feel, not a bandwagon