03' rat vs. speed

[TDB100]

Hey, im new to angels but the speed is right in the price range with the rat. right now i have my mind set on the rat. is there a reason you guys i should stick with the speed? also, is there a ace system or one coming out soon? thanks
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[MarkM]

Ok re-edit of the last post I just made...

Whilst this is going to seem harsh this thread can't stay in the Angel forum for the same reason as Mags v Cocker threads don't stay in the main Automag side so over to Paintball Talk...don't worry enough Angel owners do visit to give you their patisan reply ..be prepared for reccomodations for AKA products

[NoJoyPunk]

Hahahaha, being the AKA loyalist that I am I must say I feel AKA products are superior to Angels. Now I am not saying Angels suck AKA rules, even though I agree with my last statement, and I am not trying to sell you on AKA, I could care less what other people shoot. I feel its about personal preference and what feels right in your hands. If you can I would recommend shooting both the Rat and Speed and making your decision from there, because most of what you'll get here are biased opinions like mine telling you to buy what we like not what you like.

As far as eyes and stuff I dont know.

[Barfly]

SP sucks, soooooo that means that imps suck. Angels are alright, but a Viking rocks the house in every catagory! The best efficiency, best accuracy, faster, leaner, and meaner, baby. You just can't go wrong with it. The only reason the Vike is uber is because of the WAS board, designed by smartest man in the world.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Comparing an Impulse to an Angel is an insult already. kind of like that retro mag vs speed thread. I have yet to shoot an Impulse that I actually like. I have never seen one perform as well as an Angel on a bad day, and I'll also tell you stay away from AKA. Read the thread about poor customer service. WDP all the way.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by Barfly
SP sucks, soooooo that means that imps suck. Angels are alright, but a Viking rocks the house in every catagory! The best efficiency, best accuracy, faster, leaner, and meaner, baby. You just can't go wrong with it. The only reason the Vike is uber is because of the WAS board, designed by smartest man in the world.

Hmm... The only reason the Vike is uber is because of the WAS board... yet all of the pro's you mentioned except for "faster" aren't because of the board at all...

"designed by the smartest man in the world" ? I think you just lost your credibility there...

[TDB100]

i would go for an AKA gun but the price is not agreeing with me unless they are in the 700 range. btw what site sells the imortal viking or sumthing like that? any other suggestions?
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[Steelrat]

If your budget is 700, the only viks in your price range are used 03s.

I prefer the speeds to the impys, mainly because Smart Parts should be getting ZERO support while they pull their lawsuit crap. Plus, I honestly feel that WDP makes a superior product. The main problem is that sensi does not seem to work very well. There are several modifications to add ACE to the speeds, but they run about $250.

[TDB100]

is sensi just like COPS? and please dont say angel due to the lawsuits.
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[nuclear zombie]

Sensi is way different from cops , Sensi is basically a pizeo sensor that detects weather the ball is there or not . Switching to an ACE is not needed, if you take the time to learn the marker and how sensi works you won't have a problem with it . check out www.angelowners.com if you have any questions. Oh yeah I own an Angel A4 ,I got it over an SP marker because I have never seen anything SP makes that is above Spyder quality.

[Chubby McFatso]

I have never seen anything SP makes that is above Spyder quality.

Amen.

[TDB100]

ok, last question. will the soft nose bolt stop the problems with the halo?
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[hAppy]

my friend's 03 rat feels like ****

kicks like a mother, when you hold it lightly and try to rip, the gun just goes up. none of the other guns i used do that

it kills so much freakin air...

[f3rr3+]

na, i love my rat, i dont know what you guys are talking bout... your friend probably has the stock brass hammer, which is a no no :P mine is great, very efficent, very consistent, very fast, smooth/little kick, id say go for it, great value but get a rat hole hammer

[nuclear zombie]

Originally posted by TDB100
ok, last question. will the soft nose bolt stop the problems with the halo?
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usually most problems stem from the detents not being strong enough to hold the balls back . Some people never have a problem using a halo, some do . You could always use the detents that cobra puts out they may hold better http://www.cobrapaintball.com/main.html . The soft nose helps reduce the impact of the bolt on the paintball. If you have really brittle paint and you are running your LPR at a higher pressure (80-90psi) it helps alot.