Do you think Your Fast? How fast are you? Really

[Beemer]

Originally posted by nicad
mechanical mag, Xvalve, zero trigger reactivity -
15 bps double-finger-tapping, waveform verified.

ps- if your marker even has a debounce setting in it, your disqualified to post any ROF.
Also, I wouldn't trust any ROF shown by any LCD board.. If you cant verify the ROF via either chrono or waveform, its not true ROF to me. Some LCD boards are proven to show higher ROF than actually performed. Go figure.. :)

Cool now we got specs going.

Good vid z. Ill take the 45 meg got a link. A side shot would be good

I smell a SPEED contest and I got a c-note to a winner

O ya You got ule on that nicad

[Z-man]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
So it's cool either way.I wouldn't beleive you could pull that fast unless I saw it in person and checked out your gun anyway.:) 17bps with one finger on a legal setup would make you the fastest person on the planet if it was true.

Jay.

Time for you to be flown out to The Carmel coast of California. There are a ton of factors involved in making the RT perform the way you want it. Let's put it this way: When I made that video, I lowered the input pressure of the RT to the level where it would NOT sweetspot (probly on that MaxFlow around 800psi) but was VERY reactive (there is a difference and you know what I mean). Also I don't pull the trigger with a finger... I use my forarm.

Since I dont want to clutter this thread anymore, you can read all the details of how I shoot that way in the old thread I posted with the 2 videos (bty go to pg 2 of the this link if you want to see how I shoot the gun).

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98059

Then of course there is my rather LONG and detailed explanation of how rapidfire behaves and how to make it work.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105646

I dont subscribe to grinding parts away as you end up with markers that can only do one thing. All of my RT's and EMags are 100% factory parts and within specs as sent to me by AGD who rebuilds them for me each year.

[bryceeden]

RTpro-14bps
Classic-12bps
Matrix-17bps
Hyperframe-18bps

I prefer the RTpro

[RRfireblade]

Since I dont want to clutter this thread anymore, you can read all the details of how I shoot that way in the old thread I posted with the 2 videos (bty go to pg 2 of the this link if you want to see how I shoot the gun).

All sounds like sweetspotting to me,in various degrees.

Time for you to be flown out to The Carmel coast of California.

Pass. Like I said,I don't really care either way.

[Beemer]

At first I was Just Thinking whos got the fastest finger. Now its finger and marker.

Reread the first post again. TRUE Semi. You all know what that it is. Dont ya?

RT is good for OEM specs. You can have RT and not be able to sweetspot it right? Stays right with the E. Still Semi, no?

Would the fastest finger be the fastest on any gun E or Mech??

How bout this?

20bps x 5 sec = 100b

Load it up 100b and shoot a timed 5sec string. Count whats left minus from 100 divide by 5 = BPS Any Gun TRUE SEMI

Set up the specs and I got Cnote on your Honor

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Beemer
RT is good for OEM specs. You can have RT and not be able to sweetspot it right? Stays right with the E. Still Semi, no?

Would the fastest finger be the fastest on any gun E or Mech??

How bout this?

20bps x 5 sec = 100b

Load it up 100b and shoot a timed 5sec string. Count whats left minus from 100 divide by 5 = BPS Any Gun TRUE SEMI

Set up the specs and I got Cnote on your Honor

3 thoughts.

First, (and please to not take offense FireBlade) it sounds to me like there is a mentality that the RT valve is not a legit valve simply BECAUSE it can bounce. How much bounce I have no idea but from that last post it sounds like people think the whole system is not really legit semi...

Now if you can adjust the pressure on the valve EASILY within a 600-800psi range and NOT be able to get the marker to rapid-fire, is that STILL something you don't like? If you cannot make it rapid-fire, you cannot make it rapid-fire plain and simple

Second, the RT Pro stock performs very different based on the input of the air to it. As you all have seen on the valve, you CAN put up to 3000psi into that valve directly (hows THAT for a high input pressure).

My RT is 100% in spec but not everyone has a high flow tank. Even staying out of the rapid-fire arena, the trigger can feel VERY different even with a 50psi difference and a quality high flow reg. How mine shoots with a MaxFlow is very different to how mine shoots with a preset tank. But are you going to call that rapid-fire on one and not the other? Who decides this?

Third, I cannot rattle off my MAX bps cold turkey. As you saw in my video, I blew through around 100 rounds before I got in my groove.

I would suggest that you either film or tape the string and decide how long the string has to be sustained to call it XXbps. 1 second? 2 sec? 5sec?

I think those issues should be dealt with that before you can satisfy even 1/2 those interested. Otherwise you have 50% saying "you cheated" and the other half saying you are sore losers

[Big_Chops]

highest on a angel i picked up for 5 mins. 17 never tried tried on my e-mag.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Z-man


and please to not take offense FireBlade

None taken,and as I said,it really doesn't matter.

I've been shooting Mags since way before the RT came out and I've been shooting them since(5 RT's in the house right now including and Xmag and 1 1/2 Emags),I know how they work.

I've just read your comments,and it simply sounds as thought you rely on the R/T bounce(and a precisely tuned input pressure) to gain speed.If that's not true then I guess I assumed wrong.If it is true,then I guess I just have a different idea of a truly legal semi-auto set up.

No prob either way.

Jay.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
I've just read your comments,and it simply sounds as thought you rely on the R/T bounce(and a precisely tuned input pressure) to gain speed.If that's not true then I guess I assumed wrong.If it is true,then I guess I just have a different idea of a truly legal semi-auto set up.

No prob either way.

Jay.

I think that sounds correct. I do tune the trigger to my feel. When it comes down to it, beyond the whole, 1 pull, 1 shot aspect, I am not aware if it's considered unfair somehow if the trigger bounces back rather than... withouth that I guess...

The other aspect to consider ask is trigger length. The nature of the RT trigger is such that you really only pull the first stiff few milimeters and after that the trigger finishes the rest. You cannot do that with a spyder.... Is that simply the difference in quality of marker or something that people would debate?

Again, I tend to get really involved in these discussions (I cannot help it someimtes).

[Beemer]

ok

I see your point z

For fastest finger it would have to be same marker for all.
Same input same reg.

It would still be cool to know who REALLY has the fastest Finger. How fast are these Pro Guys REALLY?

Fastest marker True Semi, who would that be?

I think I proved a point. Over 10 is Fast and not really a norm. 15 and your in another zone.

It used to matter if you were fast. Blows my mind to know that element has become a non factor or removed.

Back to the title of the thread.

How FAST are you REALLY[True SEMI

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Z-man


When it comes down to it, beyond the whole, 1 pull, 1 shot aspect, I am not aware if it's considered unfair somehow if the trigger bounces back rather than... withouth that I guess...


Again, I tend to get really involved in these deiscussions (I cannot help it someimtes).

That's really in the whole "grey" area of "legal". Who's to say for sure?That has be Beemers whole point to most of his questions and posts lately.

In regards to the intended point of this thread,I think he was looking to determine actual finger speed.Meaning that the marker,as long as fully capable,shouldn't be a factor in a person speed beyond a minute degree.

Anyway,I have no problem with long discussions,I'm a N.Y Italian :), as long as they ARE "discussions".

Jay.

[nicad]

Originally posted by Beemer
O ya You got ule on that nicad

nope. straight up X valve with about 750 - 800psi. Its my own modified Intelliframe- the ON/OFF dosen't push back on the trigger, so there is no reactivity.

Noone ever believes it, untill they see it. :)

out!

[Beemer]

The other aspect to consider ask is trigger length.

I wondered when this would come in.

It has to be SAFE no hair triggers. should passs an ADT


Now I got 2 questions
whos got the fastest finger
Whats the fastest true Semi Marker


nicad eliminated RT.

So what do we have now?

No hair trig Has to pass ADT. Given input, and full cycle

[ProX9]

i hit 23 walking not raking on a 4.0 software mag without air or bounce and this was infront of many people at the ao ca meet

[Z-man]

wait, Nicad eliminated his RT or the RT in general? I think the RT does not fall into the hair trigger. I have only shot myself in the foot with my Emag stupid triggers with no resistance...