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  • Ov3rmind
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    • Nov 2001
    • 2637

    #1

    Interesting Idea, Almost Seems TOO Obvious...

    Why not drill an airline through the Mag's body rail?

    Think about all the mech Mags that use gas thru foregrips. Why not just have an airline drilled in the rail from where the foregrip meets the rail back to the valve? You could run a hose to the gas thru like a normal gun and not have a pesky second hose running down the side of the gun. I guess it could work for E-Mags as well if you wanted to make new battery packs.
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  • PBCapo
    Mech & Aero Eng. Student
    • Nov 2002
    • 1198

    #2
    I dont think it would be wide enough where the sear pin goes through the rail...
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    • Pullman
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      • Feb 2003
      • 713

      #3
      I'm pretty sure they've done that already.

      The Automag RT had the air run through the rail and then into a banjo bolt that went into the valve. I don't know why they didn't continue with it. I just run a line from my tank straight to my valve. I don't get hit there much so why mess with it?
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      • RRfireblade

        • Jun 2002
        • 5103

        #4
        It may work,the only prob is with the current valves you still have to go from the rail to valve except in a much tighter space and still have a means to easily disconnect the air line to remove the valve.

        The Automag RT had the air run through the rail and then into a banjo bolt that went into the valve.
        It still had a line from the foregrip to the back of the rail,next to the valve.
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        • Ov3rmind
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          • Nov 2001
          • 2637

          #5
          I'm wondering if a new rail could be made all together. The idea just seems so perfect IMO. It would take away the clutterly look and feel of running a hose to the valve.
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          • RRfireblade

            • Jun 2002
            • 5103

            #6
            Originally posted by Ov3rmind
            I'm wondering if a new rail could be made all together. The idea just seems so perfect IMO. It would take away the clutterly look and feel of running a hose to the valve.
            I agree,but you still have to come up with a way to go from the rail to the valve as well as still having a disconnect option.
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            • Ov3rmind
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              • Nov 2001
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              #7
              Originally posted by RRfireblade
              It may work,the only prob is with the current valves you still have to go from the rail to valve except in a much tighter space and still have a means to easily disconnect the air line to remove the valve.
              I was thinking of just that, and it'd actually be a pretty easy thing to do. I'll try and type it up with a pic later, but IMO it would be even easier to deal with than a hose.

              Pullman, I don't recall ever seeing that. Do you have a pic?
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              • RRfireblade

                • Jun 2002
                • 5103

                #8


                Classic RT's ran like this,not really what your talking about.

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                • Pullman
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                  • Feb 2003
                  • 713

                  #9
                  Nope looks like I was wrong.

                  Originally posted by Ov3rmind

                  Pullman, I don't recall ever seeing that. Do you have a pic?
                  Sorry about that.
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                  • Ov3rmind
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                    • Nov 2001
                    • 2637

                    #10
                    Okay, here's how I would connect the rail airline with the Valve:

                    First, you could get a little gas thru plate that would mold to the Mag's side profile (it would look like a mini eye cover I guess). The plate would be held in by two screws that would be drilled out for air (think 90 degree fittings for SS hose, only straight). The air would go from the rail to the first screw, through the plate, then to the last screw which threads into the side of the valve. All you'd need to keep them air tight are two o-rings.

                    Here's a very rough sketch on what I'm talking about (view is looking down the Mag from the back):

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                    • RRfireblade

                      • Jun 2002
                      • 5103

                      #11
                      Your basically talking about 2 banjo bolts and some kind of manifold rated @1000psi or so.
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                      • Ov3rmind
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                        • Nov 2001
                        • 2637

                        #12
                        Yeah, basically. Simple idea that should work.
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                        • tony3
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 3740

                          #13
                          If I had a nickel for every banjo bolt oring I replaced I could buy AGD. Those things were just trouble. Getting wedged between the body and rail. The way agd's doing it now is the greatest.

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                          • magking1971
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                            • May 2001
                            • 1089

                            #14
                            Originally posted by tony3
                            If I had a nickel for every banjo bolt oring I replaced I could buy AGD. Those things were just trouble. Getting wedged between the body and rail. The way agd's doing it now is the greatest.
                            You got that right, I think I put some kids through school with all the banjo bolt O-rings I bought.

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                            • Ov3rmind
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                              • Nov 2001
                              • 2637

                              #15
                              I'm positive they could be designed so the o-rings wouldn't be as troublesome as before. Cocker frontblock screws have o-rings as well, and they don't have any trouble with them.
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