Palmer Barrel Slider Sleeve for the Blazer

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by cockermongol
or chrono with the sleeve out, and then pull it back in for higher bps on the field

huh?

You have that backwards...

Since the ball does not touch the sleeve, it will act just like any of today's common step bore barrel sets.

Of course most of this would be negated if the barrel were ported.

Do this:

use a stepped barrel set (e.g. freak, CP kit, PIPE, JT, etc.)

Use tape to cover any porting holes.

Chrono your gun with:

A. Just the back peice of the barrel (~6" barrel)

B. add a 2" tip (~8" total length)

C. add a 4" tip (~10" total length)

D. add a 6" tip (~12" total length)

E. add a 8" tip (~14" total length)

F. add a 10" tip (~16" total length)

Since the control bore (back) is the only part of the barrel which comes in to physical contact with the ball, there will be NO resistance due to physical friction. Thus the common arguement "longer barrel slow down the ball due to friction..." does not apply here. The friction will be the same for all configurations.

I have done an inpromtu field test before and the highest velocities where with the 12-14" tips.

My guess is that the optimal length for a step barrel system (6" control bore) is about 13".

So back to our topic of using an 8" barrel with a sleeve.

If the sleeve is not ported then the velocities would increase if you extended it AND if not too much air excaped around the ball.


CONCLUSION...

Since the sleeve DOES have massive porting (see pic), I doubt any change in velocity would occur.

[GT]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
CONCLUSION...

Since the sleeve DOES have massive porting (see pic), I doubt any change in velocity would occur.

unless it covered some porting, no?

[shartley]

From reading these posts, it looks like some folks are missing the purpose of this device.

[wyn1370]

if the sleeve slides on the outside of the barrel it's going to be too big to have any effect velocity. What it is ment to do is give your shots a clear path by moving obstructions. Such as poking it through a bush that would other wise be impossible to shoot through due to a shorter barrel not reaching to the other side of it. Or having a longer barrel to push against an air bunker.

[Jack & Coke]

shartley, wyn1370, we know what the real purpose it is meant for.

we're just having fun speculating what it could be really used for..

Kinda like how "debounce" is supposed to allow you to "dial-out" bounce, but instead, people use it to "dial-in" bounce...

[thei3ug]

with .81" ID and holes the size of peanut M&Ms in it, I doubt it could be used for much else, unless you want to poke opposing players in the butt from underneath the air bunker with it.

god, why would you even come up with that, you weirdo?

[Quickling]

Great idea but a few years too late. Back in 95-99 this would have made a killing now most people don't even know Palmers.. but back then Palmer's stuff was like seeing a ferrari come to the field.

Also this might scratch the barrelt to heck.... maybe.

*edit* but I still think its cool as all heck and would want one on a blazer.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Quickling
Great idea but a few years too late. Back in 95-99 this would have made a killing now most people don't even know Palmers.. but back then Palmer's stuff was like seeing a ferrari come to the field.

Also this might scratch the barrelt to heck.... maybe.

*edit* but I still think its cool as all heck and would want one on a blazer.

[Quickling]

oh I don't doubt that. But if he had that out a decade ago it would have taken off much more I think.

[thei3ug]

Originally posted by Quickling
oh I don't doubt that. But if he had that out a decade ago it would have taken off much more I think.

I doubt that very much.

Palmer has NEVER mass marketed anything.

His first ad was a newspaper classified.

The ONLY ads he's ever put in a magazine were for the rock regulator and stabilizer, and only provided use stats.

His advertisement is all word of mouth.

Secondly, this product is likely to be a customer who specifically requested an article that Palmer or someone at the shop liked, and decided to make a run of. Palmer usually R&Ds at his own pace, making things either on request or in small batches.

Third, Palmer is already working at capacity, he does not wish to increase his production line, therefore the mass market of anything but regulators is incredibly unlikely. Even the Blazer, which was rumored in 95 to be a mass market palmer gun, turned out to be a specialty item! His primary business is regulators in and OUT of paintball, and that's how he'll keep it.

Last, These were not a palmer invention. People have been using shrouds for as long as I've been playing (94) and as far as I know, earlier. We used to take the plastic tubes barrels came in, and use them to cover up porting in the rain, and extend them to shoot through bushes we were using for cover. The only thing that's changed is it is now an aluminum manufactured part, and not a jury rig.

Make a killing in a market? You're assuming he wants to. There's a reason he makes brass nickel plated stock class tubes. There's a reason he makes aluminum right feed elbows. It isn't for mass market. It's because HIS customers ASKED him to.

[SlartyBartFast]

Should be illegal on every field.

When the extension is pulled in, all the porting on the barrel is closed. When extended, the porting on the barrel is open.

The bore of the extension is such that extended it wouldn't do anything for the flight of the paintball. Plus, with the porting in the barrel open, there'd be no pressure to accelerate the paint more.

My guess is chrono with the extension out. Pull the extension in and shoot at a higher fps.

[thei3ug]

what idiot would allow you to chrono that way?

[titan aresta]

from what i remember, PPS did do chrono testing on it and found that it made very little difference (something like +/-5fps).

[titan aresta]

here's the introduction thread for it:

http://www.paintmagazine.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=8&thread=7414