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  • AGD
    The man from AGD

    • Oct 2000
    • 5916

    #1

    Compressed Air Almost Didn' t Happen >> Here is Why

    All of AO,

    While going through old subdirectories and deleting stuff I ran across these old files form 1991 that showed what we went through to get compressed air (nitrogen at the time) accepted into the paintball community. Remember, at that time it was us against the world and no one wanted to listen. The first letter I believe was going to be published in APG by the International Paintball Players Association (IPPA) and the second was our rebuttal. While your reading it think about how different a world it would be if compressed air never happened.

    AGD

    From the IPPA:

    The majority of paintballers we've spoken with are very concerned about the explosive hazards of such a high-pressure gas.

    If a hose leaks or a burst disc ruptures, the high-pressure nitrogen jetting out of the hole can slice through skin like a razor and if nitrogen gas enters the circulatory system, an embolism (gas bubble) can cause a fatal heart attack in a matter of seconds.

    If one of the fittings blows at a joint, the escaping nitrogen will whip the metal-tipped hose with approximately four times the force of CO2 hard enough to rip through muscles and crush bones instantly.

    And if nitrogen gas at 3,000 psi blew past a seal and into the valve housing of most currently manufactured paintguns, there is a real possibility of either the valve housing RUPTURING, exploding like a grenade or the power tube blowing out of the barrel like a bullet.

    Current two-stage regulators with rupture-disc safeties are not safe.


    AGD response:

    Airgun Designs, Inc. has always been on the leading edge of paintball technology and in the middle of controversy. All of our products have met some form of resistance when they were first introduced but went on to become very successful in the marketplace. The Micro C/A was the first 12 gram changer to have a back check valve that held gas pressure at all times. This feature was banned from many tournaments. The 6-Pak+ changed cartridges so fast it was just like constant air and by the next season all but one of the national tournaments was back to CA. Our semi-auto the 68AUTOMAG when custom tuned, has recorded chrono strings as fast as 9 shots per second. This blurs the distinction between semi and full-auto and is prompting the major tournament directors to consider limiting the number of semi-auto's per team.

    Nitrogen is our latest project causing the industry to stand up and take notice. In the world of paintball technology there are only three areas that can be improved on: 1) the paintballs, 2) the guns, and 3) the power source. As we all know, the guns have evolved tremendously while the paintballs and the power source have remained virtually unchanged. Nitrogen is our attempt to bring the power source into the twenty-first century. Nitrogen is advantageous because it is stored as compressed gas with no liquid. The disadvantage, and hence the safety issue, is that in order to store enough shots in a small tank the pressure can be as high as 2500 psi. Although these pressures are unfamiliar in the paintball industry, they are being safely used on a daily basis in other industries such as scuba (3000 psi venting into lungs), fire fighting (3000 psi plus high heat and flames), and welding (2500 psi plus explosive gases). Even closer to home are the nitrogen gas springs in hatch back cars that are under thousands of pounds of pressure.

    Airgun Designs, Inc. has been a long-time supporter of the IPPA and applauds their efforts to establish safety standards for our industry. We feel that we are acting responsibly in not selling nitrogen systems until the safety questions have been answered. At the time of this writing, there are less than twelve nitrogen systems in existence. One of our systems has recently been tested by AUTHORIZED TESTING INC. a DOT proved testing facility and consultant to the IPPA on safety issues. Page seven of the report states "BASED UPON THE TEST DATA OBTAINED AND DOCUMENTED HEREIN, THE AIRGUN SYSTEM SUBMITTED FOR EVALUATION APPEARS TO BE WELL ENGINEERED AND HAS INHERENT PRESSURE CAPABILITIES WELL IN EXCESS OF THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH NORMAL USE." Complete copies of this report are available from Airgun Designs at no charge.

    In the end the players will decide if they want to continue with co2 and the temperature/pressure fluctuations along with its contribution to global warming, or join Airgun Designs in the 21st century and enjoy the rewards that come from being on the leading edge.

    Airgun Designs
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  • the123
    JJ's Master
    • May 2001
    • 736

    #2
    Very interesting. I'm wondering about the injuries that the IPPA spoke of ever became a problem. I have yet to see a Compressed Air accident that sustained injuries. Not to say there aren't.. I think they are VERY far and few between.
    Thankyou AGD for pushing the envelope on such a wonderful addition to Paintball. NEVER give up on those cutting-edge products!
    Brian

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    • Jonneh
      A nice fellow.
      • May 2001
      • 990

      #3
      Tom Kaye: Fighting for Paintball Justice!

      It could be a film!

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      • ZeroXtreme
        From ZERO to Extreme...
        • Jul 2001
        • 142

        #4
        You are a bad influence.....

        Tom! You are the cause of all my expenses now! Since I got back into paintball, I have been spending huge amounts of cash on the stuff that you invented or helped invent!

        Seriously though, I for one am very glad to know that the paintball industry is backed by a very dedicated and inovative company like AGD.

        What comes into mind next is.... I wonder what Tom is cooking up in that head of his....

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        • Dubstar112
          Dubstar111x
          • Feb 2001
          • 2321

          #5
          Thank everything in the paintball world to AGD!

          If AGD didnt come out with compressed air technology, Would someone else have done it? Was there other companies working on the same idea at the time?
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          Good to know that somone of Tom's status seeks "relief" from a sport he helped create. A sport now ruled by a single patent.

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          • thecavemankevin
            the living un-banned
            • Feb 2001
            • 4346

            #6
            it really gives us insight into the past history of paintball.

            I like the part about the mag being tested at 9bps!


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            • Xzion
              Official Dragon of AO
              • Jan 2001
              • 1617

              #7
              I like the part about the mag being tested at 9bps!
              The part that struck me funny wasnt the tested at 9BPS, but the "This blurs the distinction between semi and full-auto"

              If they only knew then what we know now lol

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              • billmi
                Tech Editor - WARPIG.com
                • May 2001
                • 810

                #8
                Re: Compressed Air Almost Didn' t Happen >> Here is Why

                Originally posted by AGD
                Our semi-auto the 68AUTOMAG when custom tuned, has recorded chrono strings as fast as 9 shots per second.
                Very entertaining in light of where firepower is today.


                In the end the players will decide if they want to continue with co2 and the temperature/pressure fluctuations along with its contribution to global warming...
                Um, OK.
                How praytell does condensing CO2 out of the atmosphere, packing it into a cylinder, and then re-releasing it into the atmosphere contribute to global warming? :-P

                See you on the field,
                -Bill

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                • Webmaster
                  Former Moderator

                  • Oct 2000
                  • 1765

                  #9
                  quote:
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                  In the end the players will decide if they want to continue with co2 and the temperature/pressure fluctuations along with its contribution to global warming...
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                  Sounds like a party line just to add to the arguement. I am still on the side that global warming isnt even happening - at least not more than it should. I took a great glass on ice ages and how the earth goes through cycles. Start buying land in the Sahara and in latin america - everything north of South Dakota will be under a mile of ice in 10,000 years. The Sahara will be a jungle once again!!

                  ANYWAY - one other question...

                  If AGD was pushing a HPA system in 1991, why didnt they ever produce one until a few years ago? Sounds to me they could have cornered the market nearly 10 years ago!

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                  • ProjectMag
                    Member #2247
                    • Aug 2001
                    • 630

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Webmaster
                    Start buying land in the Sahara and in latin america - everything north of South Dakota will be under a mile of ice in 10,000 years. The Sahara will be a jungle once again!!

                    Note to self: Cancel all current plans. Spend rest of life researching a 10,000 year life span, head to the Sahara, and buy a share of land to avoid ice age.
                    Last edited by ProjectMag; 12-12-2001, 05:24 PM.

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                    • Cliffio
                      No Sig's or Av's is Gay
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 4592

                      #11
                      Re: Compressed Air Almost Didn' t Happen >> Here is Why

                      Originally posted by IPPA
                      slice through skin like a razor---cause a fatal heart attack in a matter of seconds---rip through muscles and crush bones instantly---exploding like a grenade---out of the barrel like a bullet.
                      all that for no shoot down??
                      PAAAlease, that wont EVER work

                      also---


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                      • Chaos
                        1TimeAtBandCamp...TwEaK!!
                        • Oct 2000
                        • 721

                        #12
                        I'm curious, since AGD introduced the nitrogen system, why were they never sold? The flatline didn't come into the industry untill much later than 1991 if I remember, and I dont recall AGD having any other system out on the market. Why didn't you guys have a tank out, since you said you had made 12 already in that letter, yet weren't selling them YET until the safety issues were resolved. I'm confused....

                        AGD Edit: " At the time we were one year backordered on Mags. With that backorder and all the hastle, we didn't think it was worth fighting about. Air America ended up using our design (with our blessing) and pushed it into the market by giving away free systems to the pros"
                        Last edited by AGD; 12-12-2001, 07:24 PM.
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                        • Muzikman
                          Everything AGD
                          • Dec 2000
                          • 6229

                          #13
                          I never had a class on global warming nor the ice ages, but I have done quite a bit of reading. Webby is right, if global warming never happened, everything would still be under the ice from at least the 41 parallel north and what ever parallel south. I am also a big believer in the snowball idea. Yes, the idea that at one point the entire earth was covered in ice. But hey, who am I besides some strange person that will die before the next ice age.

                          Hmm...never knew Tom was an environmentalist
                          I can see the headlines..."Paintball banned, CO2 usage causes global warming" next headline... "Breathing banned, CO2 exhaled causes global warming"

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                          • MajorDamage
                            King of Polyester!
                            • Dec 2000
                            • 3141

                            #14
                            Re: Compressed Air Almost Didn' t Happen >> Here is Why

                            Originally posted by AGD
                            This blurs the distinction between semi and full-auto and is prompting the major tournament directors to consider limiting the number of semi-auto's per team.
                            Wow so they were gonna make some people use pumps and stuff? Weird. And yes, why didn't you make a nitrogen system 10 years ago? Did you forget to patten that also(I.E. Powerfeed)? AGD rules paintball!

                            ENDO!
                            Oldskool

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                            • rhetor22
                              Mag Lover (not that way)
                              • Nov 2001
                              • 1207

                              #15
                              Tom, you are cool.


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