The viking 40cps+ vid?

**NoFearPaintballer** · 02-07-2004, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Personally, I dont think thats a fair analogy. Its no different than proving that the emag can cycle at 36 cps... In fact, its not. You advertise that, but when somebody else tops the emags speed, everybody pokes fun at/attempts to prove otherwise.

that just show you are mad because you dont have a emag

**RRfireblade** · 02-07-2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Personally, I dont think thats a fair analogy. Its no different than proving that the emag can cycle at 36 cps... In fact, its not. You advertise that, but when somebody else tops the emags speed, everybody pokes fun at/attempts to prove otherwise.

AGD only advertises 26 so there.

And even when people posted R/Ts NOT Emags at 36 there are still a ton of the usual "what good is that" comments so get over it.

**-=Squid=-** · 02-07-2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by NoFearPaintballer

that just show you are mad because you dont have a emag

Uhh... no. I have a 2004 viking, and if I wanted an emag I could have and would have bought one. I AM planning on buying an RTP for backup, but thats another story.

AGD advertises a proud 26 cps cycle rate, and claims a 36 cps cycle rate (which yes, I believe, because I have seen the videos of the Xvalve cycling this fast) but here is the viking, cycling FASTER than the emag, being tested in much the same way. That method being with bounce, or some other outside means to make the marker fire, other than your finger.

So, the viking video is sound analyzed, and said to be faster than anything that AGD has shown from there Xvalve. (keep in mind it doesnt matter if this sound analysis is correct, being that im basing my argument off of what TK said)

With that being proven, TK decides to attack it, and act as though its not fast because its simply cps, when they, AGD, advertise the Xvalve's speed in CPS as well.

Now, don't you think thats being just a BIT unfair?

**-=Squid=-** · 02-07-2004, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by RRfireblade

AGD only advertises 26 so there.

And even when people posted R/Ts NOT Emags at 36 there are still a ton of the usual "what good is that" comments so get over it.

Im not basing my argument off of numbers, im basing it off of what Tom Kaye said, which I think is pretty darn hypocritical. The numbers are just being used as references. And whats it matter, Emag or RTP, they can both be put in the same firing modes.

**RRfireblade** · 02-07-2004, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by -=Squid=-

Now, don't you think thats being just a BIT unfair?

Maybe but his comment is very true and that's for ANY gun.

Also,I've analyzed vikings into the mid 30's with good accuracy and fully believe they will free cycle there.However,this Vid as well as the last Froth vid,IMO doe not prove 40cps.There's now way you can tell that from the audio sig he posted or the one I come up with.Simply not possible.We also have no way of knowing if they are complete cycles,the audio sig will not tell you that and no one has ever shown it cycle that fast and proved full cycles.

For the record,I think pretty much any pnuematically controlled marker should be capable of out cycling an R/T valve.It simply uses a spring for return and will always be held back to the limit of the springs ability to respond.

The only thing we know without question is the R/T will cycle 36cps with FULL cycles and we don't know that for sure on many other "faster" markers.

Jay.

**Butterfingers** · 02-07-2004, 02:55 PM

ill post what I posted on pbn...

Food For Thought...

True cycles are consistent and show obvious peaks of equal amplitudes...

The sound signature of this seems a bit choppy and has no obvious peaks that we can differentiate noise from a real shot.

Not flaming... Just somthing to consider.

http://paintball.butters.org click on 30cps e-mag

In this recording it is very obviously 30cps full cycles each peak shows almost identical amplitudes showing no shootdown or at the very least very little shootdown at full fps. The gun whas last chronoed at 280-290 fps.

A sound analysis was done on this was done right here on PBN over a year ago... I cant find it ever since the infamous sever crash...

Re anyalize it for yourself...

Also what air system are you using with that... We found by doing the E-mag vid that NO airsystem can keep up with the air demand NOT the Max Flow... Not the "NEW crossfire that was out that time... Not any of the AA regs... NOTHING at 290fps

What we ended up doing to feed the E-mag was hooking it up to a SCUBA tank that had about 900 psi Unregulated left in it.

At 290 fps the gun consumes ALOT of air...

Unless you had the bolt in backwards which would be cheating I would like to buy your airsystem...

By having your bolt in backwards it means all the air is used for the solnoids and none for the actual shot... Thats not really a true indicator of the guns cyclic rate since all you are testing is the ability of the ram to throw the bolt back and forth.

There are serious questions that need to be answered... How fast a gun can move its ram back and forth is diffrent than its ability to deliver a sufficent air blast to propel a ball 290 fps at a specified ROF.

Unless proven otherwise the RT based valve system still is the fastest for completing and delivering a full blast of air enough to propel a paintball to 290 fps.

The viking has proven to be the fastest for moving its ram back and forth.

**-=Squid=-** · 02-07-2004, 03:14 PM

Mabe I wasnt being clear here. Im not basing my argument on SPEED, im basing it on what Tom said. Im saying this because this guy is showing off his speed, much in the same way AGD would... simply dryfiring to calculate CPS, and Tom critisized him for it.

**bratch** · 02-07-2004, 03:23 PM

[/]Bratch hands Butters the KY for the reaming he is about to recieve for mentioning something could be wrong with the analysis on PBN[\]

**trevorjk** · 02-07-2004, 03:28 PM

just thought id like to point out that the viking may be 40cps but the mag with rt valve is 26 bps notice the difference between 40 cps and 26 bps and since we cant tell if there complete cycles whats the point... and if you dont beleive me on the 26 bps ask zman for his vid shooting 22bps even his halo couldnt keep up and notice no breaks you really think the viking can do that???

**-=Squid=-** · 02-07-2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by trevorjk
just thought id like to point out that the viking may be 40cps but the mag with rt valve is 26 bps notice the difference between 40 cps and 26 bps and since we cant tell if there complete cycles whats the point... and if you dont beleive me on the 26 bps ask zman for his vid shooting 22bps even his halo couldnt keep up and notice no breaks you really think the viking can do that???

Yes, I can guaruntee you a viking can shoot paint just as fast as an emag. You guys are not grasping my point here

EDIT: May as well say, I can put debounce on 1 with my viking, put a halo on it, and the halo cant keep up. No chops. Want to know why? Eyes. Yes, a viking is just as fast as a mag. But that IS NOT THE ARGUMENT I AM FIGHTING FOR HERE! MY ENTIRE POINT IS BEING BASED OFF OF WHAT TK SAID!

**ubooze** · 02-07-2004, 03:36 PM

Yes, I know I believe it!!!! If its got eyes, I'm pretty damn sure it could shoot just about as fast as the loader can feed. Its got eyes, and in that situation, breaks shouldn't be a problem, cept for the last few balls in the stack and paint quality. Then again, not many people run their loader dry while playing.

Still, I kinda found TK's comment disrespectful.

BUT!!! Don't forget, nobody is perfect, not even TK (even though he may be a God amongst men

).

Lets just make-up and kiss? ..... errr...... lets shake.

**-=Squid=-** · 02-07-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by ubooze
Yes, I know I believe it!!!! If its got eyes, I'm pretty damn sure it could shoot just about as fast as the loader can feed. Its got eyes, and in that situation, breaks shouldn't be a problem, cept for the last few balls in the stack and paint quality. Then again, not many people run their loader dry while playing.

Still, I kinda found TK's comment disrespectful.

BUT!!! Don't forget, nobody is perfect, not even TK (even though he may be a God amongst men ).

Lets just make-up and kiss? ..... errr...... lets shake.

No kiss?

**Butterfingers** · 02-07-2004, 03:46 PM

It depends on how you interpret toms comments...

In this case its relevant because with the bolt in backwards you arent really delivering an air blast capable of propelling a paintball to 290 fps.

The gun is actually cycling that fast but there is no real load on the regulator or air system.

If you put that sucker on a dyno
you arent going anywhere but you are still putting load on the motor. Thus a comparison made
without paint.

It cant be done any other way with a mag. The bolt cant be put in backwards and each shot MUST be a complete cycle by design.

**Beemer** · 02-07-2004, 03:52 PM

I Get It Now

Ha Ha cps means cycles. I think Chops is better.

Im saying this because this guy is showing off his speed, much in the same way AGD would.

No not even close. AGD showed 20bps[live fire]full auto. Watch the vids again. Can you say Evelyn Woods sped redding course to improve yor compression 100 p cent

I would like to buy your airsystem...

You and a few others.

Nice Vids Butters. Just the facts mam just the facts.

Unless proven otherwise the RT based valve system still is the fastest for completing and delivering a full blast of air enough to propel a paintball to 290 fps.

GT · 02-07-2004, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
You guys are not grasping my point here

Look asshat,
you and warped1 take pot shots at AGD all day every dam day, he throws one at you and you expect some grand apology? Grow up or find another forum.

The viking 40cps+ vid?

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