cheetin WAS

[speedyejl]

Debounce isn't inherently evil

It allows you to tune the gun for your maximum unassisted speed. Without Debounce any trigger pulls made within the cycle of the marker (this is about 30ms on Emags) will be discounted. This more or less limits the maximum possible ROF to 16bps on 20bps capped boards, and makes that 16bps incredibly hard to reach.

Whereas with debounce every trigger pull you make will most likely be counted.

The problem arises when players lower their debounce too much with the intention or not of cheating. The gun starts to count the switch within the micro switch bouncing which are extra pulls. A gun with this behavior is pretty easy to pick out, almost as easy as a gun going full auto since they will have random bursts of shots at the boards MROF (trust me most people can pick out 20bps over peoples normally 13)

Regardless this isn't as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Unless a gun is going full auto their isn't a huge advantage to getting a few more shots in a FRACTION of a second. Timmies, Trixes, among guns which may have debounce are plenty accurate as it is and a couple more balls in less time than it takes you to react to boiling water poured over you won't really matter. Full auto is a different story though...

The NPPL and NXL (keep separate from PSP for this) have been successful this year picking bouncing boards at and simple WAS and NYX style boards (Tadao, NYX, DM4) are easy enough to pick out. Problems lie in cheaters using specially made boards with "user recognition abilities" to unlock "cheat modes."

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by speedyejl
Debounce isn't inherently evil

It allows you to tune the gun for your maximum unassisted speed. Without Debounce any trigger pulls made within the cycle of the marker (this is about 30ms on Emags) will be discounted. This more or less limits the maximum possible ROF to 16bps on 20bps capped boards, and makes that 16bps incredibly hard to reach.

Whereas with debounce every trigger pull you make will most likely be counted.

That's pretty much....wrong.

Your confusing "debounce" and "Buffering."

It's the buffering that allows full cap reaching potential.As in 3.2 for instance,which by the way,is fully capable of hitting 20bps,even a tad over with the added buffering it uses.

[RRfireblade]

I should have added that "debounce" is to help the software to distinguish between actual trigger pulls and the variance in signals that can be transmitted while the microswitch is in between various states of rest and full actuation.

It's a completely unneccessary adjustment and can and SHOULD be preset by the manufacturer as if set correctly it will add NO gain in performance.If you find that by adjusting it,you gain performance,YOU ARE CHEATING.

[elpimpo]

Originally posted by speedyejl
I'm not aware of any commercially available boards that let you change settings WITHOUT a tool.

al i have to do is push a couple buttons on my timmy and it adjusts it

[speedyejl]

Originally posted by elpimpo


al i have to do is push a couple buttons on my timmy and it adjusts it

You put a screw driver to the two center pins in the equalink conector to put your timmy into competition mode, you can't change settings in comp.

RRfb your response is pending sleep

[phantomhitman]

i am glad peopel are answering this guys questions. i am learning about was boards

[athomas]

Some WAS electronic boards have been rumoured to use a variable dwell time based on rate of fire. Basically, the faster you fire, the longer the bolt dwell time becomes. This supposedly compensates for dropoff but can actually increase the velocity on a good setup.

[Skoad]

roomate's viking had debounce. he could set it to where you pulled the trigger it would basically shoot about 3-5 times.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Skoad
roomate's viking had debounce. he could set it to where you pulled the trigger it would basically shoot about 3-5 times.

And thats the ONLY reason to have an adjustable bounce setting.

[coolcatpete]

I think I am understanding now how it works. Thanks so much.
Pete

[afrankart]

I just use mine to be able to tune the bounce out and get it fast as I can shoot it. I think that was supposed to be the original purpose of debounce, not using it to achieve bounce, but to get rid of it.

[rkjunior303]

Originally posted by speedyejl
with "user recognition abilities" to unlock "cheat modes."

lol sounds like nintendo..

up up down down left right left right A B start... yay, full auto! lol

[truss]

i can turn the bounce on my viking up also, but you cant hide that from refs.and if i tried to change my settings on the feild it would take about a minute.that is along time to be out there and not get noticed.