how does this work? Price? DOC?

[GT]

[-=Squid=-]

I dont like making blank post like this, but wtf? A mag/tippmann combo? Im also curious as to how in the crap this works...

[Kevmag]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
I dont like making blank post like this, but wtf? A cocker/tippmann combo? Im also curious as to how in the crap this works...

hard to tell from the picture, but the top part looks like a mag...

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by Kevmag


hard to tell from the picture, but the top part looks like a mag...

Blah... I know it was a mag. I just wasnt thinking. Thanks for catching that. :)

[Fred]

that's been around for quite a while.

My guess is that the cocking rod of the M98 (enclosed in the top of the marker) is somehow being linked in that mounting bracket to a trigger rod for the Mag...

Edit: Added: Yes, it is a Doc creation.

---Fred

[GT]

I saw it at txball. It was way clean, very factory almost like THEY are supposed to be built that way.

[Rather]

YAY its the pic I took of it.

But yea i was shocked and about dropped a brick when i saw that that was actually at TeX-ball.


What im guessing from looking at it is that he set it up so that when the 98 hammer moces it trips the sear on the mag portion....on its movement back. So there is most likely a slot milled into the top middle of the 98 portion to allow for this...

at least thats how I would have done it. Not sure how doc knocked that piece of work together...

[RayU]

It's the DOC9098, made by Doc Nickel, owned by me! It's based off of Doc's original creation, the DOC9000, mounting a Mag on top of a Carbine.

Rather's correct on the basics of how it works. So the 98 fires, and the returning bolt rod trips the Mag sear. The Mag fires just after the 98, but it's so quick, I just call it 'at the same time'.

I had just upgraded the Mag with the Level 10 bolt the other week, and it still needs some fine tuning and breaking in. As such, the Mag wasn't always firing with the 98. Too much bolt stick, and what-not.

I was tempted to get it working for X-ball, but the rules don't allow for "more than one barrel" as well as firing more than one ball per trigger pull.

My webpage writeup on the DOC9098 - the page is getting out of date...

https://www.upperplains.org/paintball/DOC9098.htm

[ramenjames]

how much did that cost?
i want one

[RayU]

Well, you've got to ask Doc that one. For the amount of time and effort he put into mine (several design prototypes), he surely lost money on the deal. I supplied him with the 98 and the Mag, and many months later, tada! Whether he kept the specs, or will have to redo one from scratch - you'll have to ask him. I'd expect he'll charge more this time around.

He made the mounting adapter and cut a slot in the 98 for the modified bolt rod. The Mag is not customized. So, with hex wrenches and several minutes, I can take the Mag off the mounting bracket and put the trigger frame back on.

'Someday', I'd like to upgrade the 98 to a 98 Custom, and put in either the RT or E trigger and see how it rips. That'll test the reg on a nitro tank!

[Fred]

methinks that would be pretty crazy if you had the auto-response E-mode... 4 shots per trigger pull...

---Fred

[Rather]

Originally posted by RayU
Rather's correct on the basics of how it works.

*warm fuzzy feeling* :)

Congrats on your owning it, seen pics of it before over the net but I about died happy when I saw it on the table there. I would have asked you if I could fiddle with it at teX-ball. Unfortunately, I didn't see you or anyone around. So I snapped that pic off because I know thats a one in a million work by doc.

I didn't realize that you could take it off and have them running as 2 seperate guns again. That is incredibly nifty! You have yourself a truely universal gun there, RayU. Its a main, backup, and a scenario marker all wrapped into one artwork.

*envyous of your gun, owning a 98C and mag myself*

[RayU]

Originally posted by Rather
You have yourself a truely universal gun there, RayU. Its a main, backup, and a scenario marker all wrapped into one artwork. [/B]

I like to think of it as such! *Psst* Don't tell anyone, but my main marker is a Phantom! My "main backup" is a Blazer (which I used in X-ball).

The DOC9098 is my main scenario gun - though often I'll use it at the beginning of the scenario as an intimidation piece, then swap out to the Blazer or Phantom for the middle of the game to save paint, then swap back to the DOC9098 for the final battle. It's too easy to get trigger-happy with it.

[paint magnet]

Why bother with the level 10? The only time mags chop is if you short stroke them, and with that set up it should be impossible to do.

By the way, what happens when your tank gets low and the 98 gets the "motorboat" effect?

[RayU]

M98's motorboat effect? Hmm, can't think I've ever let the tank get that low to begin with...

Off the top of my head, I think the Mag's pressure requirements are higher than the M98, so the Mag would stop firing before the M98 would motorboat.