ATTN: Tom Kaye! No more Xmags?!?!

[luke]

I think this whole situation with SP and Toms decision to stop production on the E-Mag are very exciting times indeed. Perhaps in the short run things will be tough for many in the business, but, if you think about it, you will see it's actually good for the sport.

This situation will force a new level of innovation that we have yet to see. Working around someone else's patent may be a hassle, but I believe the sport will be better for it, as long as Tom stays in the business that is.

[Temo Vryce]

It's amazing that a simiple decision like this one can have such a large affect on so many people. Tom you and your products have touched a lot of people in the paintball industry. A fair number of those people have been loyal users for many years, others are new to the AGD/AO family. No matter how long we have been here, we will still be here when the dust settles and you release the next generation of mag. It is always sad when a great product line must come to end, but what doesn't kill us can only make us stronger. We're here for you Tom. Some of might throw a tanturm or two (no finger pointing intented) but we'll always supporting members of the AGD/AO family.

[Creative Mayhem]

My take on this whole situation is this...

Tom and AGD has revolutionized the industry on MANY occations,

the creation if the first Automag,

first to use compressed air for paintball

RT technology

Magnetic triggers

Ultra light triggers

Warpfeed(in conjunction with PTP IIRC)


With all of these advances and innovations, what makes you think Tom/AGD doesn't have anything else up his sleeve. Some of you may jump ship cause of fear for loss of sales/support and go buy that timmy, trix, or god forbid shocker.. I for one, will shoot my mags for as long as pantball is being played. I have owned my Minimag for 11-12yrs, and my Xmag for 8 months, barring electical malfuction or age on the xmag, I will shoot these for as long as is possible. WHY YOU ASK???? Because Quality Always Shoots Straight. The mag is the tank of the paintball community, while some close minded people may not like its look, and its "poor performance"(I use the term loosely) it is UNARGUABLY the best marker out there. All of today's current "top guns" will have fallen apart LONG before my mags will have. I am honored to own and play with mags for all of my paintball life, and I will continue to support AGD and Tom in whatever may come.

To finish off... I'd like to Quote Tunaman from SCAO2 -

"It's AGD, or nothing for me."

My sentiments EXACTLY Tuna.

[Wes Janson]

As a disclaimer, I must say that I know next to nothing of the legal details of this situation. However, I'd like to throw out a wild idea just to ponder over. Why can't AGD turn over all patents, blueprints, rights, etc to the X-Mag/E-Mag to AGDE? SP's lawsuits can do nothing against foreign corporations. At the very least, why not allow someone else to continue producing them for the rest of the world to use (and maybe a few to sneak through to the US via eBay)?

[Smitty2k1]

Good luck to AGD and AGDE in their future development of a new electro, and hope smart parts doesnt affect any of it.

Untill then, Ill continue shooting my very awsome and very new mech mag.

As I have said for a long time in the Kingman Forums at PBN...


MECHS FOR LIFE!!!!!!

[joebob09]

i think all the comapnys that have been sued by sp should join together and make a gun that blows sp out of the water... the compactness of a mag and the lpr of a a excal that would be pimp

also agd should get a patent on their bodies of their guns... they made those first so agd should get a patent and then sue sp's ***.

btw if agd does make a newer version of an emag or x mag and it is a reasonablely cheap price id more than likely buy it to support agd

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

basically you are saying if you can afford to purchase it, you will support agd, but if you can't afford it, you are just going to walk by?

[Wrathchild]

Originally posted by Creative Mayhem
My take on this whole situation is this...

Tom and AGD has revolutionized the industry on MANY occations,

the creation if the first Automag,

first to use compressed air for paintball

RT technology

Magnetic triggers

Ultra light triggers

Warpfeed(in conjunction with PTP IIRC)


With all of these advances and innovations, what makes you think Tom/AGD doesn't have anything else up his sleeve. Some of you may jump ship cause of fear for loss of sales/support and go buy that timmy, trix, or god forbid shocker.. I for one, will shoot my mags for as long as pantball is being played. I have owned my Minimag for 11-12yrs, and my Xmag for 8 months, barring electical malfuction or age on the xmag, I will shoot these for as long as is possible. WHY YOU ASK???? Because Quality Always Shoots Straight. The mag is the tank of the paintball community, while some close minded people may not like its look, and its "poor performance"(I use the term loosely) it is UNARGUABLY the best marker out there. All of today's current "top guns" will have fallen apart LONG before my mags will have. I am honored to own and play with mags for all of my paintball life, and I will continue to support AGD and Tom in whatever may come.

To finish off... I'd like to Quote Tunaman from SCAO2 -

"It's AGD, or nothing for me."

My sentiments EXACTLY Tuna.

CM, stay out of my head .

[luke]

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Originally posted by Creative Mayhem


the creation if the first Automag,

first to use compressed air for paintball

RT technology

Magnetic triggers

Ultra light triggers

Warpfeed(in conjunction with PTP IIRC)



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There is alot more to add to this list...

[Fred]

boy I leave on vacation for a week and all hell breaks loose...

Well, I have to say I'd be sorry to see the X (or E) go, (especially before I've had the means to buy one, damn tuition... only 4 more months of it too...), but like its been said, inevitable...



Guess my Retro will have to suffice.

---Fred

[Recon by Fire]

So if there will be no more production of X-mags, can we get a final count as to how many X-mags were produced?

[dwab3000]

well this is my ideas here. I know sp is a patent monster trying to take over paintball...but think of it this way, smart parts is the schoolyard bully. We (all ppl with agd guns gear and or work for them) are being bullied. Even thought they have brute force (their stupid patents that are too vague and will never hold up in the supreme court)
we have the teachers and the principal.....and if the principal doesnt do a good job....complaints to the board of education....now think about this....THE SMART PARTS EYE AND ELECTRO PATENTS ARE USELESS. they are more of a joke to me. they will not hold up its too vbague covering up too much. i have had two ideas patented so far. one for special mods to the original mag *note these were the only tested ones* and one to my special custom spyder which i actually got the body frame custom made and no real spyder parts were used just unpatented ones.... i know the legal system. tom kaye has done things like this before. remember...its always happening...i also found out from many people that it is only a pause until a new one comes out....ules will be discontinued and the classic rt and the 68/mini stuff like this. now i play with a mag an angel 4, i just ordered a alias timmy *im on back order though but garenteed* nad my tricked out mag *my rec ball gun*. this problem will have no affect on me i already loove my mag *usually what i play with* my angel i already got a buyer for it and my timmy is gonna be my new tourney toy.....dont worry about it sit back relax turn up the music and dig the mag vibe you got me....im new to forum anywho. Hopefully this helps some. think about all i said... and dont be suprised when the sp suit is taken to other places....the supreme court will handle it right.

[young7786]

Originally posted by 11_Mile_TMaster
And, for that matter, some of my thoughts:

250 E-Mags sounds like it's actually no number to sneeze at. Anyone with a recent E-Mag care to give a Serial number, so we have an idea how many exist?

My Emag is a newer one and it has serial number EM01975

[darwin]

Originally posted by Recon by Fire
So if there will be no more production of X-mags, can we get a final count as to how many X-mags were produced?

agreed i am actually curious about this tk

[Hellaspaint]

We get an Xmag at the end of January with s/n 367 from AGDE.
I will have one more in a few days. I will post the s/n here.