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  • Gunslinger-ActionBob
    Registered User
    • Feb 2004
    • 55

    #16
    Props to Miscue then.
    here's some more dry reading concerning the re-exam

    one interesting section in above document

    a brief on current re-exam process


    the requester of the re-exam is still excluded from the process and the application costs $8800.00 to review by the US patent office

    info on the head honcho in charge and the office


    This is particularly in view of the provisions in the present inter partes statutes estopping a third party from later raising in Federal court any issue it raised, or could have raised, in the PTO, even though the third party has no right to appeal outside the agency. Thus, if a third party chooses reexamination to attack the validity of a patent and loses, the third party would have great difficulty defending itself in a later infringement action.
    another;
    To those who would oppose HR1886 on the grounds that it exposes holders of hard won patents to further expense and uncertainty, let us not lose sight of the fact that a patent is a government sanctioned monopoly. Where, as at present, we know that patents have been issued that, were there greater opportunity for public input during the examination process, should not, and would not, have been issued, then it is necessary for the Congress to step in to protect the public interest. Assuring third parties of a fair, open and reasonably inexpensive forum for challenging such patents is not only justified, it is imperative. HR 1886 is a move in the right direction.

    and another;
    In furtherance of the scam, the patent system, in the real world today, is an attack directed principally at small businesses. A knowledgeable inventor will assert infringement only against small companies that either can't afford the cost of litigation, or can't tolerate having attorneys rummaging through all their engineering drawings in the process of discovery. They are more likely to settle from a pragmatic standpoint, regardless of the justice, and get on with business.
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    • Miscue
      Super Moderator

      • Oct 2000
      • 7105

      #17
      Unfortunately, it looks like the inter partes thing is only good if the patent was after the legislation in 1999. http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/yjo...=article&sid=2

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      • akscubainst
        Member
        • Sep 2002
        • 67

        #18
        These are all of the cases the SP has ever filed in US District court.

        Name Court Case No. Filed NOS Closed
        1 SMART PARTS INC ordce
        3:2002cv01557 11/15/2002 830
        SMART PARTS INC vs. WDP LTD


        2 SMART PARTS, INC pawdc
        2:1997cv01425
        08/05/1997 830 12/19/1997
        SMART PARTS, INC vs. WDP, LTD.


        3 SMART PARTS, INC. pawdc
        2:1995cv00839
        05/31/1995 830 03/27/1996
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. BARRELS OF AMERICA


        4 SMART PARTS, INC. flmdc
        6:2000mc00102
        10/12/2000 890 10/12/2000
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN


        5 SMART PARTS, INC. pawdc
        2:2000cv01482
        08/01/2000 830 10/07/2003
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN


        6 SMART PARTS, INC. ordce
        3:2002cv00843 06/21/2002 830 08/21/2002
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. USA AIR CONCEPTS, INC.


        7 SMART PARTS, INC. ordce
        3:2002cv01498 11/05/2002 830 09/30/2003
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGNS, INC.



        8 SMART PARTS, INC. ordce
        3:2003cv01607 11/21/2003 830
        SMART PARTS, INC. vs. AKALMP, INC.


        According to Gardner Sr.'s testimony in his ICD Deposition, He is a lawyer and only practiced in 1959/60 but is licensed. Gardner Jr. found the attorneys they are using on the internet. They are based in OR.
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        • spantol
          Turgid Member
          • Sep 2002
          • 1024

          #19
          From that site:

          The reexamination process, particularly for third parties, offers no realistic alternative to a court action to challenge a patent and is heavily weighted in favor of the patent holder through the denial of participation to the third party in the reexamination.
          Well, crap.


          Originally posted by Gunslinger-ActionBob
          a brief on current re-exam process


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          • Miscue
            Super Moderator

            • Oct 2000
            • 7105

            #20
            Originally posted by spantol
            From that site:



            Well, crap.


            I assume that if they do a good job, the USPTO will use the Internet to search for prior art and information pertaining to the re-examination - regardless, it might be good to figure out how exactly they search for prior art. The lack of ability for a 3rd party to put in their 2 cents could be circumvented by plastering the information all over the Internet, or making sure it appears in places such that the examiners are bound to run into it. And you know who could do that? Paintballers.

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            • Cyberious
              a.k.a Professor Porn Wang
              • Jan 2002
              • 561

              #21
              I'll be happy to call my local congressman. I would also be willing to contribute to a 3rd Party re-examination fund if someone is willing to set it up.

              WANG Force!


              Abandon All Hope

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              • Gunslinger-ActionBob
                Registered User
                • Feb 2004
                • 55

                #22
                here's the link to the PbNation forum with the locator info for your local reps
                A forum community dedicated to paintball gun owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about optics, builds, gear, events, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!

                It also has a good post from Glenn Palmer.
                Also Drop Dan Bonebrake a line as he's rallying the troops from what I hear
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                • einhander619
                  Swollen Member
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 814

                  #23
                  Wait, SP is based in Oregon? I'll be damned, I'm on the front lines...
                  I'm nothing more than text to you...

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                  • akscubainst
                    Member
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 67

                    #24
                    SP is in PA.

                    The suits are filed in OR. US District Court.
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                    • Cristobal
                      vox clamantis mag
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 454

                      #25
                      Patent's just showed up on the font page of arstechnica.com with a news blurb about the current Patent resolution passed by the house. For anyone who's interested arstechnica blurb points to an AP article on the recent house resolution which may be found here:
                      Get the latest local Detroit and Michigan breaking news and analysis , sports and scores, photos, video and more from The Detroit News.


                      The full text may be seen here:
                      [edit: the link doesn't work, just go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and look up HR1561]

                      Paintball isn't the only industry that could use better Patent legislation. There a big brewhaha going on in the software right now (the point of the posting on arstechinca.com) following Microsoft's application for a patent on a "virtual desktop manager" for which a strong argument can be made that prior art already exists. Can we say deja vu?

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                      • Major Ho
                        Long time no see
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 1262

                        #26
                        When did the Brass Eagle rainmaker come out?
                        Didnt Brass Eagle claim it as the first electronic marker in their ads?

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                        • akscubainst
                          Member
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 67

                          #27
                          In his depo for the ICD trial Gardner SR. mentions that they were going to sue Brass Eagle but as things progressed, they decided that the "Rainmaker was such a joke" it wasn't worth pursuing.
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                          • Gunslinger-ActionBob
                            Registered User
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 55

                            #28
                            I wonder what he'll say when the new K-2/BE steps up to the plate with their newest and defends that it was developed using existing inhouse product that was never an issue before and step behind their much bigger, better finianced legal department. Or for that matter Kingman's next release that is IMO a pacific rim copy of a B2K with different milling
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                            • Evil1
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 979

                              #29
                              When SP is done with their little power trip or whatever you want to call it, they are going to regret this whole thing. If they start trying to sue all of these big companies like BE or Kingman or Tippman they will then realise that they bit off more than they could chew and by that time their little business they once had will be officially ran into the ground.

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                              • painTech
                                Erg... im a pirate
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 282

                                #30
                                actually the guy who patented blowbacks for sp is from xenia. i need some good weapons and beat his face in.

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