An electro, or the feel of an electro

[Lohman446]

This may have been posted somewhere else, but it is in response to a question from TK that I have been wondering about for my own purposes for some time as to how I would answer it.

Neither.. I like my ULE trigger, x valve, intelliframe combination. I really like the trigger feel on it.

I also very much like my e-mag trigger, but not as much as I like the feel of my mechanical. Yes my e-mag is quicker, but I don't necessarily agree that increasing from 10BPS to 20 is that great of a tactical advantage. I could be wrong, I know the arguments that say it is, but I still don't think it really is.

Why do I use my e-mag then?

Simple, user error, with level 10 it is accepted that I am highly unlikely to chop paint, but I have a problem with my mechanical markers - I can chuff a ball partialy down teh barrel, adn then send the next one through it. I don't think I can do this on an e-mag. Thats why I use an electronic trigger, not because of feel, but because of lack of error on my part.

[member#10,261]

okay...

[BobTheCow]

Interesting, that makes sense... mind supplying a link to the original question, for some more insight/background?

[Lohman446]

A BIG Trigger Question!!!!!!
AO,

I have a hypothetical question for you. If there were two guns, each with identical performance and price. One is an electronic trigger that can adjust down to your typical soft pull. The other is a mechanical trigger but almost as light as the E trigger, kind of like an Emag with two magnets.

Which would you buy and why?

Thanks,

AGD


That was kind of the original question, from an old poll

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67916

[lloydalexander07]

I think I may be able to provide some insight here.

The specific adavantage in my expereince with electronic markers has absolutely nothing to do with the feel of the trigger. Of course, that may be a deciding factor among different electronic markers, as the array of trigger pulls range enough so that the feel of a mechanical trigger can be duplicated in an electronic marker.

Most people buy electronic markers because they allow for higher rates of fire. With the automag, a trigger pull requires full action, while an electronic marker only needs to activate a switch. I've seen some insanely short electronic pulls from very non-technically inclined people, while even experienced airsmiths have issues getting "super short" trigger pulls with purely mechanical markers.

Also, putting 20 balls in the air in a second is a lot better than putting 10. In scenario and recreational play, I can see moderate advantage, but in tournaments, shooting 10 balls a second isnt good enough. For a quick math lesson...

10 balls per second, traveling at 300 feet per second, means that the first ball is seperated from the second by approximately 30 feet. When shooting 20 balls, this seperation is cut down to 15 feet, making it much more difficult to run through the firing lane. Hope that helps.

- Lloyd

[Lohman446]

I understand the arguments of why 20 is better than 10. I beleive the math behind them, the distance being twice as much... - my qualms iwth the 30 feet between them, well it takes that ball (simplify things to no decleration) and it takes that ball .1 seconds to get over those 30 feet, I dont think you can sneak through the gap that quick without luck.. run through a stream of 10BPS or 20BPS and I think your going to get hit, multiple times. Break and bounce issues give your argument more credence, but let me say that I do not, in the end, buy that there is as big an advantage between 10 and 20BPS as some people think there is.

So, in my opinion, for me (and I play front so maybe I really dont care on super streams) there is little to no tactical advantage to a great increase in speed - and I like mechanical feel better than electro. But, my mechanical mag can chuff, my e-mag doesn't. In the end, I go with my e-mag for that reason, not speed.

[lloydalexander07]

Its actually not hard to run through a stream of paintballs, when you consider the size of the paintball. Assume a person is running off the break at 10fps (equal to running ~40m in 12 seconds, which is pretty damn slow for a front player or any atheltic person). If they were to run through the stream (perpendicular to it), then they would move one foot in that gap of .1s. That is considerabley wider than a paintball can cover. Move faster and increase the distance. The distance between them, and consequently the time between paintballs drops to .05s, or 6" of movement. This would almost guarantee a hit while at one foot of travel, there is a lot more room to miss.

- Lloyd

just for clarification, here's the math...

40m in 12 seconds. 1m = ~3ft, so 40m = ~120ft.
Average sprinter runs the 40 around 5 seconds, the average fast person runs around 8 to 9 seconds. I am assuming 12 (both because its emphasis on my point, and the math is hella easy). So:
120ft in 12s = 10ft per 1s or 1ft per .1s

Paintball: 300fps, 10bps. Therefore, a ball is fired every .1s. The ball travels during this time (300fps * .1s) = 30ft. By doubling the amount of balls fired in a second, the time between shots is halved down to .05s. The distance between shots is then halved to 15 feet and so is the distance our runner can run in the gap. This would be 6 inches, or less than half a person's width from front to back.

[Lohman446]

Let me state this - I knew the validity of the argument from yuor side when I started it, I may stupidly continue to state that I dont see it being that great of a tactical advantage. Curious though, if we can get to an electro type mechanical trigger, is it the pull we are aiming for, or just being an electro?

[lloydalexander07]

damn, you replied faster than I could add the last part. I know you understand it, I was just trying to show how great of a benefit having 20bps is over 10. The feel of electronic triggers can be adjusted to feel like mechanical and the reverse is true for mechanical markers, if one is so inclined. The feel can be adjusted to personal preference, so when buying an electronic marker, I believe that there is more weight in the speed than in the feel. If I were to get an electonic marker, it would be for the speed, the feel would just determine what electronic marker I would get.

- Lloyd

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Ok, here is your solution.

Adjust your trigger on the emag the same you have it on the non electro, and use the emag on mechanical mode. You get a mech mode, but you still shoot the emag.

[Lohman446]

The big disadvantage of mechanical, to me is teh ability to shortstroke, more than the inability to shoot as fast as an electro.

[trains are bad]

I agree w/lohman