Consumer Quiz ON Future Projects From HFD (Sorry AGD for using AO as testing grounds)

[OysterBoy]

Sorry for using AO as our testing gorunds Last time, I swear.

1) If a gun were made, single bored, not a ripoff of a mag and NOT the Spyder design listed in another forum, with effective, working back spin (range and accuracy), would you feel inclined to buy it?
1 -NO
2 -Doubtful
3 -Maybe
4 -Almost Definatley
5 -Absolutely

2) If said gun were affordably priced, but only offered in raw and black, would it still interest you?
1 to 5

3) If said gun HAD THE OPTION of using a second source of air (whether ir be a 12 gram or small c02 tank) to use the backspin effect would you still be interested?
1 to 5

Once again, sorry if this is getting to be a nuisance, and if this is in the wrong forum move it if you want.

Alex Hnatiuk,
Head First Designs

[Curly]

1) 2
2) 2
3) 1

[OysterBoy]

(lol)


Thanks for your answers, although they are puzzling.

Thank you none the less,
HFD

[Curly]

Not trying to sound mean or anything, but the backspin idea has been done before and it never proved to be very effective. Finding a place for another air source would be a pain in the *** also. Maybe this would be a good gun for the scenario market. I am not a scenario or recball player so I gave you my opinion.

[OysterBoy]

Once again, thanks, and the opinions youve shared are in no way negative. I'll try to give information on an 'asked' basis, so if you would like to know about it just ask.

The design we are toying with (prototype begins soon) is to have a system similar to what is being used by company's such as Rohm&Haas (Automotive Coating company). What they use when cleaning their paint guns, they use a 'booster' system, so that when the cleaning material is shot through, it has enough force to continue out. How does this apply to paintball? Well, if a similar method is used, we can create backspin. The method will be as follows; before your 'longball' shot, hold in the LB valve on the 12 gram 'feeder' and fire, release the LB Valve as soon after to conserve air.

We don't think having a 12 gram on board will be too much of a hassle, but, thats what these surveys are for, right?

-HFD

[yaddatrance]

Backspin creates some "mad bounce"... The reason they
fell out of favor is that you could broadside sheets
of plywood and watch the balls come right back at you.
Any effective spin would cause the balls to glance off
the target, even when you hit it dead on. I'd concentrate
on reliability of the parent marker before hunting down
gimmicks like backspin.

In terms of making money, it's all in the marketting...
The crux of the money is all the "newbs" who buys all
the hype since he has no experience to judge from.
Witness the recent hammerhead thread et al.

If you get a good marketting partner, you'll do fine,
even if it's ANS level gimmicky...

[TheTramp]

I think the problem is the limitation of your choises.

1) It sounds interesting but not "Almost Definatley" so 3.5
2) That's how most of my guns are anyway so 3.5-4
3) Cool idea but I'd have to see if it was practical so 3

[OysterBoy]

Well right now it is all theoretical until later this spring when we begin on a working prototype.

The main thing I should reiterate about the first question is, if an EFFECTIVE back spin were produced.

Heres a 'teaser' showing roughly the size and proportion.

http://members.rogers.com/oystermallet/gun%20exterior.jpg

Note, I meant to say Main Air Input, not Main ASA

-HFD

P.S. The choices dont have to mean 'absoultey', etc, its just to give you an idea of the scale. Either use #/5 or #/10, but tell us which you mean (a 4 looks bad on the 10 scale but not on the 5 scale)

[WARPED1]

No
one
one.

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by OysterBoy

The main thing I should reiterate about the first question is, if an EFFECTIVE back spin were produced.

Hey, all debaiting the likely hood of this aside, if you had a tested working product (no WAS type hype here! ) then my answers go up to solid 4's.

[OysterBoy]

That is our goal, if we can't make this thing work, and work WELL, we are just going to forget about it. The worst thing we could do is to become hypocritical; we are against guns marketed on pure hype with low quality, although of course we will have to push our product, but quality will be our main priority.

-HFD

[tyrion2323]

1. Too many backspin products have turned out to be wack. It's not worth gambling money on a new one.
1.See above.
1.No, because this would add even more complication to an already complicated marker.

Just being honest - nothing against you.

[OysterBoy]

No offense taken, really, but one thing is no matter what score, it would be helpful if you said why, and maybe added something you'd like to see incorporated into it.

-HFD

[yaddatrance]

I guess I forgot to answer your questions.


1: 3 (Maybe) All of the repleis of 1's are really just
3's... if you actually made it then people would buy
it... I'd say the recharge rate (and hence effective
fire rate) is another important factor. As I mentioned
before, the backspin is just a gimmick which you can
add to any marker, your method is just a new way to
achieving that. I would be *more* likely to buy it
if it had a properly sized bore with NO backspin.
I've used the flatline and galactic Z and was impressed
with the range, not so impressed with its actual
usefulness.

2: 5 (Sure) If the colors bothered me, I'd anno it
myself... In fact, this would add to *my* personal
attraction to it as I'd be guaranteed a unique marker.
Uniqueness counts.

3: 1 (No way) If you're going to do it, run a line from
your on/off! There's no way I'd be hunting down a
12 gram before a match, much less adding a second tank.
It really kills the reliability portion.

I'd say look at what the Nova guys did and don't copy their
business plan

[Fred]

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