Sick of drop nazis

[angelbeast24]

first of all half of you guys when u post pics of ur gun ur ask us what we think and a lot of us dont like drops myself being one of those ppl i love my rail adn just think it helps me shooting faster

[nuclear zombie]

I prefer a long drop , usually the back of the tank nearly even with the back of the gun .

Why ? because of the field i play on. 90 percent of the time I play at a local field that doesn't have a sup-air field , instead it's made of plastic pallets . The pallets have little dimension to them , so I have to make my gun as short as possible so I can tuck in as close as possible to reduce the chance of being shot from the side. So maybe it's not a fad maybe it's that pro's play nothing but supair , and having a short gun isn't as critical as it use to be . There are too many personal factors involved to call it a "fad " but maybe " a trend as a result of the evolution of the sport." And if you ever tell me to lose the drop i'll tell you that you should go buy a pump and learn what the sport is really about .

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Doc Nickel
Like I said, it all depends on how you shoot, and what feels comfortable to you.

I like having the gun up close (I have beavertail scratches on my goggs ) and the gun "high" so I can sight right down the side if the barrel while the tank is in the hollow of my shoulder.

Yes, I've tried rails, and I used them long before, when we called them "bottomlines" or "ducktails" and they held long 7 and 9-oz CO2 tanks.

No offense to the "rail" guys but the idea it makes the gun shorter overall is kind of silly. Assuming you hold the barrel at the same height (roughly eye level, give or take) all it does is raise the tank up a few inches- except your shoulder, chest and forearm are still there.

It's like the guys complaining about the Warp Feed, saying it makes your gun too wide. But if you're holding the gun normally, the "width" is inside the width of your chest and shoulders- the overall target width you offer an opponent is completely unchanged (except for the loss in height, which is a definite benefit since it comes down off the top, lowering the top of the gun to below that of the top of your head.)

Again, it's all preference. I've made drops for customers, that were longer than the gun, and I've made up guns with just rails. Of course, I've also added back-bottle adapters, gas-thru stocks and "drop-sideways" mounts.

Run what YOU like, not what the noobs and wannabes tell you to like.

Doc.

As far as height goes, that's a nickel and dime issue. The top to bottom height of the gun with a rail and a no rise for the hopper will only make a difference in very isolated cases, so I think that's a very small benefit and not the real issue. As far as the chest and shoulder go, here's a thought. With a drop, your shoulder is further forward and therefore more square to the target, where with a drop, your shoulders are more in line. I find this helps keep a flatter profile to the shooting angle your opponent has on you and reduces the chance of offering a chest/shoulder shot to the opponent.

Another thing is consider what you said about sighting. The margin of error on your sight angle is less at greater distances. So holding the marker a little further out might help you aim better.

My main contention was the wrist issue, though. That and the fact that everyone keeps thinking rails are a mob mentality when there is actually a lot of good justification for it.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz


My main contention was the wrist issue, though.

That's my only reason FOR a drop. Without a drop,I can't hardly grab the grip frame as the tank and my forearm are in direct conflict for the same space.

I guess if I had little girly forearms like you rail guys ...........

[Cryer]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
...I guess if I had little girly forearms like you rail guys ...........

[RRfireblade]

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by RRfireblade

I guess if I had little girly forearms like you rail guys ...........

Hehehe. I think so.......
damn drop nazi's!

[Wolfen]

I've grown up on drops, but I just got a Pro-rail for my Mag-in-the-works. I have yet to actually try it in a game, but it is going to take some getting used to. I'm used to the tank not getting jammed into my shoulder. But it will cut down on the tallness of the marker you get with using a drop forward, so we'll see which I actually stay with.

Edit: But then again, if I went with a 45* trigger frame and not a vertical frame, I probably would've gotten at least a medium drop. But I figured since the frame is already forward a bit, I didn't need too much of a drop.

[Rooster]

So how is a rail different than a bottom-line? I've got about 16 duckbills sitting around that will do the same thing.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by Rooster
So how is a rail different than a bottom-line? I've got about 16 duckbills sitting around that will do the same thing.

I prefer a rail because I can use an on/off in conjuction with it.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Rooster
So how is a rail different than a bottom-line?

About $25-$30.

Since almost everyone started with a bottomline ASA,I think most have a pretty good idea what a rail feels like.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


That's my only reason FOR a drop. Without a drop,I can't hardly grab the grip frame as the tank and my forearm are in direct conflict for the same space.

I guess if I had little girly forearms like you rail guys ...........

I'm sorry, I having trouble picturing this. Do you have a picture of your gun? Because when I think of a drop, it puts the tank right under the gripframe. Basically what I am hearing is you say the exact benefit of a rail can only be had with a drop. With a rail my wrist is against the gauge and the on/off and my forearm is under the gun vs. against the tank. Where does your arm go?

BTW not all of us excercise our wrists as much as you.

[Top Secret]

Actually I find duckbills rather uncomfortable because they push they tank out a bit farther than a rail/unimount does. I'd have to agree with Jack and Coke on the various drop/tank setups. My favorite two setups are my CP rail and on/off with a 45 on my Viking and my Conquest 68 on a reversed rail on my DM4. They seem to balance the gun perfectly at the rear screw in the grip frame.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz

I'm sorry, I having trouble picturing this. Do you have a picture of your gun? Because when I think of a drop, it puts the tank right under the gripframe. Basically what I am hearing is you say the exact benefit of a rail can only be had with a drop. With a rail my wrist is against the gauge and the on/off and my forearm is under the gun vs. against the tank. Where does your arm go?

BTW not all of us excercise our wrists as much as you.

First off,don't take it all so seriously.:)

And I'm not talking some major drop forward,I use like a medium,say 2-3" forward and 1-2" down.

What I'm saying is quite simple,with my drop the top of the tank is about even with the bottom of the grip frame.With a rail,the top of the tank ends up 1-2" above the bottom of the grip frame. For me,that's bad.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


First off,don't take it all so seriously.:)

And I'm not talking some major drop forward,I use like a medium,say 2-3" forward and 1-2" down.

What I'm saying is quite simple,with my drop the top of the tank is about even with the bottom of the grip frame.With a rail,the top of the tank ends up 1-2" above the bottom of the grip frame. For me,that's bad.

How tall are you?