BPS Bet?

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by yaddatrance
RR, I understood all of that but the "visible unloading"
part... Why does the hopper matter at all? Couldn't
you just listen to the solenoid engaging? Anyone who
argues that the hopper makes a difference on how fast
you can pull the trigger is silly.

The bottom line was that he wanted sustained fire for 150 rounds,therefore requiring around 10 seconds of sustained fire.

Qloader=100rounds,only 2/3s of the required amount.

(editted for bad math)

[FallNAngel]

I feel that I must further give some reasons for why I think this rate of fire is not realistically possible. Fast twitch muscle fibers are notoriously inefficient, and work effectively over short distances and periods of time exclusively. It is for this reason that sprinters can only maintain their speeds for short distances. Likewise, the fast twitch muscles of our fingers can maintain a rate of "twitch" that is high, but for a very short period of time, after which the finger will falter or fail. I have NO doubt that people can easily hit 15bps for a second or two. I have personally seen people attain insane rates of fire for short periods of time. The spirit of the bet is to show that while these rates of fire are possible, they are not sustainable. You hear people all the time saying, I can hit 20bps, I can hit 15bps, I can hit 10bps, and quite frankly, aside from the second or two of jackrabbitting on a trigger, it's just not possible, at least that I have seen.

The reason he thinks you can't hit a sustained 15bps is because fast twitch muscle fibers are unable to work efficiently over longer periods of time. He also says you have to hold the marker as you would in a game... so now you're not testing your muscle fibers but also your muscle fibers as you hold the marker a particular way. Yes, I know he's probably trying to get an accurate depiction of how you'd do in game... but what about people that say... shoot from the hip. Yeah, it's not exactly accurate but it can be done. I don't remember seeing NPPL/PSP rules that say you have to shoot a particular way. I don't even see why raking wouldn't be legal.. it's still one shot per pull.

I hadn't read that you have to shoot at least 150 balls. I had remembered him saying the bps will be determined by shots/time but didn't remember that a 150 minimum is required. In that case, I can see why the QLoader isn't allowed.

[GoatBoy]

The guy's a weasel.

If you do a little digging on it, you'll realize this.

Those of you with experience with MS BOFH types know what I'm talking about.

I actually agree with some of the things he says, but he's so incredibly... uhm... I'm not sure if there's a word to describe it... You know the guy on the Simpsons that lives in his parents basement and collects comic books?


I'll readily admit I can't hit 15bps. But his bet is going to lose, and it just makes the rest of us non-dweebs (ah, I guess I found the word for it) who argue roughly the same end point look bad by presenting such a crappy argument. I'm not like one of these kids that brags about BPS, but on the other hand, I believe 15bps for 150 rounds is doable. This guy just thinks he knows it all. He's skating by because the right people don't have the video equipment or don't know about the bet.


You know, there are other hobbies that involve greater manual dexterity for extended periods of time. Think about it.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by GoatBoy
I believe 15bps for 150 rounds is doable. This guy just thinks he knows it all. He's skating by because the right people don't have the video equipment or don't know about the bet.

I think you guys are really reading way to much in to it.

It's a simple bet to pull 15+ bps in a normal fashion on a legal gun for ~10 seconds.

He posted this a bet a LONG time ago and despite the bajillion claims that have been made,not 1 video has showed up at his doorstep.

Sounds like he's pretty accurate in his assessment so far.

The "Equiptment" is mearly a Camcorder.Who DOESN'T have one or know someone who has one.Make a tape showing what's SIMPLY required,150 rounds loaded into a hopper and shot out in less than 10 seconds with the gun and your fingers in full view.Then drop it in the mail.

How much easier can it get........IF you could actually do it,that is.:)

[sneakyhacker420]

do bad i'd drop a hopper full in under 10 seconds...

[rkjunior303]

LOL. Just send him the link to the Deadlywind thread and have him forward over the $100 to Nicad..

[phantomhitman]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
He posted this a bet a LONG time ago and despite the bajillion claims that have been made,not 1 video has showed up at his doorstep.

i thought he received some but they did not show the either the fingers moving, the gun, or the hopper. That is why he changed the rules to what it is today. I agree that this is extremely easy to set up and a very easy $100 if you can pull that fast. Someone just do it.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


I think you guys are really reading way to much in to it.

It's a simple bet to pull 15+ bps in a normal fashion on a legal gun for ~10 seconds.

He posted this a bet a LONG time ago and despite the bajillion claims that have been made,not 1 video has showed up at his doorstep.

Sounds like he's pretty accurate in his assessment so far.

The "Equiptment" is mearly a Camcorder.Who DOESN'T have one or know someone who has one.Make a tape showing what's SIMPLY required,150 rounds loaded into a hopper and shot out in less than 10 seconds with the gun and your fingers in full view.Then drop it in the mail.

How much easier can it get........IF you could actually do it,that is.:)

I don't think I'm reading too much into it. He's making the bet to prove some point. I need to go find the exact thread that resulted in this challenge (last time I was not looking for the thread; I was looking for other posts by him).

Yes, it's been out there a long time. But like I said, not enough people even know about the challenge. I had never heard of it, and I mentioned it to quite a few others who had also not heard of it.

I don't have a camcorder. (Gave mine to my parents over xmas, still shopping for a new one.) Most of my friends don't have camcorders either.

And what's with this "I only accept VHS" crap. If he wants a high quality video, he should say, "I want a high quality video." For someone who props himself up as a computer expert, he certainly seems to be avoiding an obvious video medium.

He also sounds somewhat agitated that it got posted on pbnation. Maybe he was hoping the circulation of the challenge would remain on RSP. I haven't visited RSP in a LONG time myself. How many people here frequent RSP, or even know what I'm talking about?

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by GoatBoy


And what's with this "I only accept VHS" crap. If he wants a high quality video, he should say, "I want a high quality video." For someone who props himself up as a computer expert, he certainly seems to be avoiding an obvious video medium.

How else are you going to "mail" him the video.Perhaps he prefers it be VHS instead of Beta. He also states the $100 purchases the rights to the video,therefore not to be posted digitally all over the net.

BTW, What the heck does the format have to do with meeting the challenge.

I must say,it's AMAZING to me the effort EVERYONE is putting into debating every nuance in the rules.

MAKE A TAPE AND SEND IT IN OR SHUT THE(you know what)UP!

Thank you.

My work is done here.:)

/clickes the UN-subscribe button/

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
How else are you going to "mail" him the video.Perhaps he prefers it be VHS instead of Beta. He also states the $100 purchases the rights to the video,therefore not to be posted digitally all over the net.

BTW, What the heck does the format have to do with meeting the challenge.

Oh, I dunno.. a digital video burned on a CD perhaps "" Besides, what does he care if it's posted all over the internet?

[Lohman446]

I'd like to see it - prove it. If you can do it on non-VHS (and meet the other requirements) than post it here for us to see.

[Beemer]

simple question

Hey sounds like the question, How Fast Are You REALLY?

[AcemanPB]

The whole point of the challange is to prove that no one has the muscle cordination to pull the trigger 150 times in 10 seconds. Obviously raking the trigger doesn't require much cordination, therefore he chose NOT to allow it. As far as the VHS, the guy is good with computers and must know how easy it is to tinker with a digital video.

Bottom line: This guy is putting up 100 dollars out of his OWN POCKET. It's his money and he can do whatever he wants with it, so stop whinning about the rules. If you want to make your own rules put up some of your own money.

[f3rr3+]

hes just being a dou.... dork and using elaborate rules that no one will take the time to do cause he will weasel out of it or say it never arrived...

[rudy6732]

i dont get why raking isnt allowed, some people actually rake in-game, he shouldnt count that out.

raking isnt counted b/c this guy wants to prove that you cant physically move 15 finger twitches per second, and raking, which i do in-game, is like 2-3 pulls for every one swipe of the trigger. If i rake my trix, my finger is actually moving pretty slow, but multiply that by 3 and you will get my bps b/c i hit the trigger in 3 diff places per pull, not using any twitchy muscle fibers he was talking about :)