45 vs Y/Z angle vs Vert frames

[yaddatrance]

Originally posted by BagelBoy2004


no one "aims a paint marker". No one sights down the barrel. You just watch where the paint goes. There are no "snipers" in paintball. Why would you try to "aim".

Are you serious?

Uhm, because if you couldn't aim at all paintball would be
the dumbest game on the planet... When you shoot at
a target, you're using the parallax of the barrel to
sight down it...

[Cryer]

Originally posted by yaddatrance
...BTW Re: Angel copying the Y frame...

If you examine the grip frame of a real Uzi, you'd
note that they copied it very accurately, the dips
and cut of the vertical frame is almost a clone.

http://images.google.com/images?q=uz...oe=UTF-8&hl=en

yes.

[Cryer]

I think, ideally, I'd like to have something between a vert and 45 frame...

[RenagadeOfFunk]

I dub BagelBoy2004 a noob for saying...

"no one "aims a paint marker". No one sights down the barrel. You just watch where the paint goes. There are no "snipers" in paintball. Why would you try to "aim". "

you should go tell Tyger that...
...you would be shocked that markers are actually AIMED!

[the larch]

Well, Actually, I think bagelboy meant that you don't aim down the top of the gun as you do in most real firearm applications.
Also, most real firearms are not intended to shoot from a tucked position.
Comparing real firearms with paintball markers just isn't a good idea. They are used differently, shot differently, and balanced much differently. Remember, recoil is not an issue with paintball marker.


Do a test: hold a stick vertically in your fist and try to draw your hand back to your face without your trigger finger turning in towards your body....it gets more and more uncomfortable the closer your hand gets to your face. The stick wants to angle back towards your head.
In most "real gun" situations your hand never gets close to your head and a 45 grip is great. In paintball, with a dropforward, your hand can end up 3 inches from your face as you site down the side of the marker.
In this case, a vertical, or Y grip is QUITE practical. I personally LOVE my vertical grip.

[JT2002]

Ok thats enough. And late warning on your cursing too - no flamming - cphilip

[Barfly]

I would like a z-grip for my b2k3, because I like to hold the grip with my left hand and walk with my right. The angle makes it really comfortable for my right hand to walk with, when I tilt the gun like a z-grip.

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by JT2002
this is for you bagelboy....
"Main Entry: 1aim
Pronunciation: 'Am
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French aesmer & esmer; Middle French aesmer, from Old French, from a- (from Latin ad-) + esmer to estimate, from Latin aestimare
intransitive senses
1 : to direct a course; specifically : to point a weapon at an object
2 : ASPIRE, INTEND
transitive senses
1 obsolete : GUESS, CONJECTURE
2 a : POINT b : to direct to or toward a specified object or goal "

so, your saying merriam-webster is wrong? i deff agree, theres no way in he!! we paintball players point our markers (defined in the above term, although most of us dont call them this, weapon) at an object/ direct them toward a specified object. never in my life have i EVER witnessed any of the hundreds of thousands of paintball players do this even once. man, thank goodness the
bagelb!tch is here!!!! idk what we'd do without him.

Sit on my thumb and rotate.

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by the larch
Well, Actually, I think bagelboy meant that you don't aim down the top of the gun as you do in most real firearm applications.
Also, most real firearms are not intended to shoot from a tucked position.
Comparing real firearms with paintball markers just isn't a good idea. They are used differently, shot differently, and balanced much differently. Remember, recoil is not an issue with paintball marker.


Do a test: hold a stick vertically in your fist and try to draw your hand back to your face without your trigger finger turning in towards your body....it gets more and more uncomfortable the closer your hand gets to your face. The stick wants to angle back towards your head.
In most "real gun" situations your hand never gets close to your head and a 45 grip is great. In paintball, with a dropforward, your hand can end up 3 inches from your face as you site down the side of the marker.
In this case, a vertical, or Y grip is QUITE practical. I personally LOVE my vertical grip.

Exactly. You people act like you are supposed to close your left eye and sight down the barrel like you are hunting deer.

[JT2002]

lmao, bagelmasters only pissed cuz he just got pwned by miscue in the other thread!

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by JT2002
lmao, bagelmasters only pissed cuz he just got pwned by miscue in the other thread!

Pwned?????? WTF is that supposed to mean? Learn how to spell.

[yaddatrance]

Originally posted by BagelBoy2004


Exactly. You people act like you are supposed to close your left eye and sight down the barrel like you are hunting deer.

Well technically, you're never supposed to close an eye
even when doing that... You'll find it harder to track
moving targets and it's hard to guage distance. Using
both eyes will noticably increase accuracy.

Oh, One last thought on this matter, even from a tuck,
I find it hard on the wrists but the 45 frame still
retains the "finger pointing" natural position which
would let me do accurate "snap" shots. When coming out for
those, I do a volley of two or three shots but I noticed
that if they're going to hit, the first shot is usually
the one to do it.

I don't try more than three because I'm diving back under
cover by then and I've bunkered my own self before with
my last round bouncing back off my cover.

[Cryer]

Bagel, I think you're taking this a little too personal. Its a discussion on other people's preferences and youre getting all hostile and telling people to set on your thumb and stuff... thats not cool. You should tone it down a bit.

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by JT2002
this is for you bagelboy....
"Main Entry: 1aim
Pronunciation: 'Am
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French aesmer & esmer; Middle French aesmer, from Old French, from a- (from Latin ad-) + esmer to estimate, from Latin aestimare
intransitive senses
1 : to direct a course; specifically : to point a weapon at an object
2 : ASPIRE, INTEND
transitive senses
1 obsolete : GUESS, CONJECTURE
2 a : POINT b : to direct to or toward a specified object or goal "

so, your saying merriam-webster is wrong? i deff agree, theres no way in he!! we paintball players point our markers (defined in the above term, although most of us dont call them this, weapon) at an object/ direct them toward a specified object. never in my life have i EVER witnessed any of the hundreds of thousands of paintball players do this even once. man, thank goodness the
bagelb!tch is here!!!! idk what we'd do without him.

Cryer, then what is this ********* supposed to mean????

[Cryer]

Originally posted by BagelBoy2004


Cryer, then what is this [expletive removed] supposed to mean????

first off, You shouldnt cuss... (JT you either)

but bagel, you've had a negative attitude the whole time... even in Nicads thread. All because of a difference in opionion reguarding the angle of ones trigger frame...

This is the kind of behavior greater men than you have been banned for