Dye should go scenario...

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by TheFlamingKoosh


C'mon man, just because not everybody wants to dress up in bright jerseys, pay an extrodinary amount for feild fee and feild paint, then play games that last 3 minutes, that means that they are Redneck hicks who want to be in the military?

You should try playing a Scenario instead of just ragging on them... I was at a blackcat 24 hour game this weekend and saw damn near as many cockers/mags/timmies/matrices or other high end guns then tippies and spyders.

Just because we play in the woods don't mean we can't keep up with technology.

I honestly don't think he was really ragging on scenario players.

I agree with what he said, in that it's the... feel of authenticity that matters to a lot of the scenario players.

They want guns that look real, and they want to dress up with the gear and equipment that sort of feel real to them. "Scenario" generally means there is some sort of imaginary theme, and it probably kind of helps some people to get into the "mood" of things to have the associated gear.

And as far as where the "real money" is... Hopefully I'm not the only one here that thinks scenario != rec.


And lastly, Dye equipment is just rebranded "other stuff" at a markup. I'm not so sure how well that would go over with the scenario players.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Dye is known for their tournament gear. They make it and make it well. If they saw the need to go into the scenario market, they would have done so already.

[Carbon]

Good discussion here, keep it up. +'s all around. Well, maybe it doesent have to be militaristic. Maybe there is an untapped market for scenario specific gear. Not exactly cammo yet, not exactly bright tourney colors.

[xXHavokXx]

Originally posted by TheFlamingKoosh


C'mon man, just because not everybody wants to dress up in bright jerseys, pay an extrodinary amount for feild fee and feild paint, then play games that last 3 minutes, that means that they are Redneck hicks who want to be in the military?

You should try playing a Scenario instead of just ragging on them... I was at a blackcat 24 hour game this weekend and saw damn near as many cockers/mags/timmies/matrices or other high end guns then tippies and spyders.

Just because we play in the woods don't mean we can't keep up with technology.

I really want to play a scenario actually. Ive met alot of cool people who play scenario who wear bright jerseys like the psycho clown posse, or just regualr button up shirts like the Renegades.

I as mostly getting on about airsoft guys. I know a guy who wears a backpack filled with sandbags or wood so that it is equal to that carried by a certain squadron of paratroopers in a certain year in a certain day.

[speedyejl]

Originally posted by AGD
Yea but then all the tourney guys would call DYE lame....

AGD

I would

[Skoad]

Main point - Scenario's base is realism, so how much more real can you get if you can actually go out and buy the real army stuff.

[Koosh]

Originally posted by Skoad
Main point - Scenario's base is realism, so how much more real can you get if you can actually go out and buy the real army stuff.

Because nothing is more real then pretending your Captian Kirk fighting the Borg and Klingon, right? Or going out with the NM-4 Super-Spies against the evil S.P.O.R.K.S....

The PLAYER decides on how he wants to look and what he wants to shoot in scenarios. You can get into it, role play, and do missions, but that isn't what its ALL about. For every person doing a mission there are probably 10 just going out there and shooting people on the other team.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Python14


Note though, Dave Dehaan(aka Dave Youngblood) was known far and wide for the fact he never wore camo. He was well known for wearing a black turtleneck and slacks. The man was even stylish in the woods days...come one.

The day camo is printed on a DYE product is the same day Smart Parts converts to charity and AGD stops caring.

It wasn't a black turtleneck...it was a black sportcoat/tuxedo jacket. He found it in a trashcan down by SC Village and sported it instead of borrowing someone's camo when he forgot his own gear.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by xXHavokXx

I as mostly getting on about airsoft guys. I know a guy who wears a backpack filled with sandbags or wood so that it is equal to that carried by a certain squadron of paratroopers in a certain year in a certain day.

Those damn sandbaggers! We can't even get a scenario in without sandbaggers! What's the world coming to?!

Originally posted by TheFlamingKoosh

Because nothing is more real then pretending your Captian Kirk fighting the Borg and Klingon, right? Or going out with the NM-4 Super-Spies against the evil S.P.O.R.K.S....

The PLAYER decides on how he wants to look and what he wants to shoot in scenarios. You can get into it, role play, and do missions, but that isn't what its ALL about. For every person doing a mission there are probably 10 just going out there and shooting people on the other team.

Yeah well, at every Trek convention it's inevitable that you'll see one guy in a Storm Trooper outfit or Xena costume or something. Let's not get buried in the specifics. Even if it is, say, a Trek based theme, I can still imagine the fun involved in going out in "real" gear. Now, if Dye wants to get into the lucrative RedShirt paintball gear business, hey, maybe there might be something.

As far as the second paragraph... That was... kind of my second point. If you're just out there to be shooting people on the other team, what are you, exactly? Are you a scenario player? Or maybe just a recball player who's playing in a scenario game? How do you specifically market to those who just want to go and shoot other people, but don't get that much into a theme, whether it's the explicitly stated theme, or their own little theme?

[Koosh]

Originally posted by GoatBoy


Yeah well, at every Trek convention it's inevitable that you'll see one guy in a Storm Trooper outfit or Xena costume or something. Let's not get buried in the specifics. Even if it is, say, a Trek based theme, I can still imagine the fun involved in going out in "real" gear. Now, if Dye wants to get into the lucrative RedShirt paintball gear business, hey, maybe there might be something.

As far as the second paragraph... That was... kind of my second point. If you're just out there to be shooting people on the other team, what are you, exactly? Are you a scenario player? Or maybe just a recball player who's playing in a scenario game? How do you specifically market to those who just want to go and shoot other people, but don't get that much into a theme, whether it's the explicitly stated theme, or their own little theme?

I'll give you that... I'm just trying to say that when speedball/tourney guys think of scenario, they think of hillbilly dimwits who want a real looking gun so they can play war games... What they don't know is that since Scenario is becoming more and more popular, more and more people are getting into the sport and using better equipment. I once had a Raced cocker and an Emag at the same time... just to go out and play woodsball. I had just as much fun as the kid next to me with a Tippmann.


A few speedballers played with our team as their first scenario this weekend. They remarked about how much fun they were having becuase everyone was playing so honest... If thats a concept unique to Scenario, then I guess I won't be playing very many tourney's soon :)

And newbies are newbies no matter what type of game they play for... I got blue in the face trying to explain to a guy playing with us that longer barrels don't give you more range. He was conviced the other side was shooting hot (and while some of them were...) because his 21" barrel on the tippman couldn't reach them, yet their 8" barrels on the cockers could us. There was some wind, and some players shooting hot, so I guess that didn't help my explaination... oh well, he'll learn some day.

[SN0BL1ND]

* needs the popcorn munchin' smilie*

this is a lot more adult than the same discussion I had on the Impulse Owners Group... I play almost exclusively scenario...

[Naby]

There is also the question of price. Most rec players play in simple old clothes that they don't wear anymore or they buy at discount stores. At most, they may go to the army surplus store and get some BDUs. I don't think your average rec/scenario player would be interested in paying $200 for dye camo pants... even if it came with kevlar knee pads...

[SN0BL1ND]

Just to play devil's advocate... who says that scenario players WANT Dye clothing? From what I've seen, the price of the name far outweighs the performance. MILSPEC BDU's give good performance for a reasonable price.

As for the scenario players being "nerdy"... check the write up of Tom's quote of why he sponsors scenario teams; you'd be suprised... and he is absolutely correct; I've seen it. Here's the quote from www.scenarioball.com:

"AGD president Tom Kaye had this to say about sponsoring Team Blitzkrieg: "Blitzkrieg and the other teams we sponsor represent the highest level of scenario ball. They are the consummate pros of the scenario world. Any scenario guy would hold up fine in an airball game, but no pro tourney guy would even know how to invade the enemy's position with the effective use of role-playing and armament."

Scenario is where players can go and play THIER game THIER way with THIER toys, be it MILSIM or "tournament grade". The competition level can be just as intense as a tournament (even tho I've never been in one), but without all of the blatent cheating. I'm not saying that all tournament players are cheaters, just some get thier "tournament/fun" switch stuck in the wrong position...

The cost is a major detractor of stuff for a lot of folks. My wife FREAKED when I told her I needed a better gun to keep up with the other players on the field. Like a LOT of the scenario players, I am the breadwinner of my family and have more to worry about than financing my next trip to the field. Not trying to slam tourny players, but most of the tournament players (to me) seem a LOT younger than the scenario players I see.

I see I've gotten off track with my rant, so I'll shut up now...

[xXHavokXx]

Originally posted by p8ntball72


It would be nice if dye came to where the real money is in the sport.

I hear alot of people saying this, but I dont see how this can be. I understand that more people play scenario paintball, but some of the scenario guys that I talk to say they only play a couple times per month, and use less paint. Tourney guys in our area play at least 4x a month, shoot 2 cases per day and constantly want the latest and greatest gear. Ive seen people keep at least 3 jerseys in rotation, 3 pairs of pants as well. And now with Xball gaining intrest people are keeping multiple setups ready, ie 2 angels, or a timmy and a trix , or an angel and a trix, so if somethign goes down or they need to swap in 2 minutes they just swap completely.


From my store's point of view tourney guys are where the money is, we have one team that averages about 50 cases a month from us, where as the scenario guys we deal with in total buy maybe 12

[TeamNausea]

Very good info in that post havok. Thanks it actually puts this whole discussion (about the money) in clear view!