eblade reflex vs. shocker...

[FalconGuy016]

Hey, I just realized I get a new bolt kit from SP! yay

[Glickman]

heh wow, thanks i nearly forgot that the alias is so inexpensive. lol quite a choice you can get in that price-range, does it shoot like all the other timmies?, cause ive shot the other ones, but not the alias.

but its still not as light and compact as the shocker, so im leaning towards the shocker

[OfficerGoat]

Having held both in my hands I would say the alias is a hair lighter. But thats a personal guess... they are both feathers. Its worlds of difference from my 2k2. Like I siad... both guns are feather light and they both rip.

Functionwise the new timis are the same, however they shortened em up and made a major change in the electronics. They are ready to rip out of the box. The only real drawback on the timi is that you almost have to get a new barrel for it.

[Raven4000SX]

A Intimidator is really just a tricked out Spyder. LOL (same type of stacked tube design)

[Evil1]

An alias is probably going to be my next gun. They are awesome and they friggin' rip!!

[tyrion2323]

Have you thought about an Omen at all? I LOVE my omen. They're so easy and simple to use, and they are chop free! I have yet to chop one in my breech in over two months of indoor practice.

I know I might get flamed for suggesting the Omen, but I have had numerous people with Timmies, a few guys with Impulses and one guy with a Shocker tell me that my gun "rips hard." I even had an impulse owner tell me that he wanted to trade his Imp for an Omen.

I hope I'm not coming off too bossy, just a suggestion =)

P.S. - The shockers are damned nice, even though I really look down upon Smart Parts.

Jacob

[Brett23]

The free upgrade bolt for shocker is not the high effiency bolt. It's a mostly aluminum bolt system to replace the all delrin one that came stock with the older shockers. They had problems with the old delrin ones swelling up in warmer temps and/or getting grooves in them after so many uses. The grooves would cause leaks. The SP H.E. bolt will cost you in the niegborhood of 100 bucks. Its suppose to get in the neigborhood of 1400 to 1500 shots from a 68/4500. Some say a little more. Some less. Oh and the effiency of the stock bolt as opposed to a mag is much worse. I only get about 100 more shots off of my shocker with my 68/4500. I ran a 68/3000 off of my emag. So that was about 800 from 4000-4500 fill with the shocker. While i was getting 700 from a 2500-3000 fill on my Emag. I aint complaining though. My shocker shoots straight and far. I got spot checked today at the field because a ref thought i was running hot with the way the shocker was shooting. I chrono'd at 265, hehehe. Oh btw the octane is the only shocker so far thats cocker threaded. Everything else is shocker threaded.

[bunkermaster10]

Get the alias. They are much smoother shooting wise compared to the older timmys (so I've read). If you have extra bones, I would pick that up. Plus you could trade anything for it if you ever wanted to get rid of it. Look at the cyborg also its about 900+ish and it rips right out of the box. My teammate owns one of the first black to yellow fade ones (1 of 15). Its sweet and light as crap.

[chunk_daddy]

as a person who has shot both i would go with neither, every shocker i have shot has just been a blender, those were the older ones that needed the new bolt so i don't know if that got fixed or not. the alias work GREAT for about a month, then they just blend things as well. i have shot and played with both and decided to get a lasoya which works great so i would go with neither a alias or shocker.

[Glickman]

thanks for the very useful article

i just dont understand waht u mean by "just" started to blender, i have a dye trix, and ive never blendered except when i had my eye off at 15 bps. i cant see how they can just start blendering, maybe if its not taken care of and the eye was off, but i dunno.

I clean my trix every other day, whether its used or not

(yea ive been told to seek help )

Have you thought about an Omen at all?

nah, ive shot them, their internals are kinda complicated, like a impulse and a timmy mixed together, and my dye trix does basically what the omen does.

the thing is tho, its all about weight for this gun. just pick up a shocker, you could imagine urself doing supermans over the xball "x" , and running to the 70 on the break

Oh btw the octane is the only shocker so far thats cocker threaded. Everything else is shocker threaded.

The guys at evolve, at getting their own shocker, the evolve shocker, which will have cocker threadings as well, but will ALSO HAVE A LPR!!!woooohoooo. i think i might wait for that, there a great bunch of guys too.

[Ydna]

LPR's are next to worthless on a Shocker 03.

[No sKiLLz]

Where the hell can they put it? I was wondering that for the longest time, how are they going to put an LPR on the thing. There's no room. I thought that's why they were working on the Nerve.

The Alias has the new Frenzy board, and they moved the LCD to the grip frame, moved the grip frame forward an inch on the body, and shortened it on both horizontal and vertical axis. It's very light and compact, and comes with a very thin lightweight trigger. The eye is break beam vs. the Shocker IR, so you won't have concerns about paint type/color. No contest IMHO.

Plus the Alias doesn't look girly.

[Glickman]

Originally posted by Ydna
LPR's are next to worthless on a Shocker 03.

ok guys... i noted this before, but i guess noone reads my posts :

when posting on this topic, if u say "dont get this" or "that sucks" please give a reason. simply saying that "cockers suck" wont help anyone, while "cockers suck because you have to time them, and their slow" is something that can be helpful to other people.

[Ydna]

Sorry, heh it's just that I get do fatigued of explaining it over and over on shockerowners.

In order to mount an LPR, you must first install a special vertical adapter. The input to the Shocker from the vertical adapter is not a standard 1/8" NPT fitting, instead there are two sets of holes (right and left). The right hole will product the operating pressure whereas the left holes will produce pneumatics presure (to the soleniod). So what the LPR vertical adapter does is seperate these two and connect the left ones to the LPR, which is also mounted on the front of the LPR. Picture of it installed can be seen here.

The reason it is pointless is because the soleniod already operates at 90-psi as stock. This is without an LPR, with whatever circca 190-psi input from the Flo. It's a funciton of the soleniod inserts, if you want to know.

So because of this, the LPR will allow you to drop the pressure from 90-psi to....what? 80-psi? Don't go lower then 70 though, or you'll get some bad results. Anywyas, this is a 20-psi drop, which is next to nothing in terms of efficiency or consistency. The only real function it serves is to protect the soleniod in the vastly unlikely event of a complete reg failure or large spike, which yes will almost always result in a leaking solenoid, however no permanent damage is caused unless you supercharge the hell out of it.

One or more of the prototype Shockers (open bolt prototypes only) were tapped to involve an LPR on the front (click here). Needless to say, there's a reason why they stopped milling the bodies to accept them.

[Glickman]

heh thanks! that makes alot of sense, i just didnt know they alraedy operated that low. from what it seems, it could use a decent sized volumizer. One that actually has a purpose.