Typhocker History

[headcase]

Yep, Doc's at it again....from what I understand be milled it from a block of aluminum and what looking for a machine shop to do a run of them.

[mykroft]

muzikman: They're way overpriced, too heavy, and I loath the triggers. I also really don't like Glenn, got a real bad impression when I met him at IAO (Of course he could have been having a bad day).

I don't see any reason that the blazer should be 3x the price of a cocker, with less features.

And I do admit that the workmanship is superb.

[Muzikman]

Well..a stock Blazer is $400. What is a stock Cocker? $350? And a stock Blazer is much better than a stock cocker as far as quality parts and performance. Also, I am unsure of the less features part. There are less "Pretty" features, but there are still features. When you where at the IAO, you where probably looking at the $900 Blazer. That was with every available performance upgrade. Cockers are pretty and function, Blazers are ugly and function.:)

As for Glenns attitude, he is a great guy. I guess he is alittle short to talk unless you really bring up a good conversation. I think he gets real sick of people asking why his guns are so old and so ugly.:)

[mykroft]

Muzikman: Sorry I disagree on the performance part between a stock cocker and Blazer. Quality wise, sure the blazer's better than a stock cocker, but that $900 Blazer is pretty much a $350 cocker + a $110 Eclipse Hinge frame and $90 boomstick at best, that's what $550? and I'll bet the cocker is faster and just as accurate. Out of the box, the cocker has a 45 frame and a pretty good little vertical reg too, that's $190 extra on the Blazer. Sorry, Palmer just doesn't justify the money.

[headcase]

Well what is stock on a blazer--
Quick Swith
Quck Ram
Rock
Much better barrel.
400 + male stab = 490
and if you want the .45 + 65 = 555
matched barrel + 20 = 575

Cocker 350
Upgraded front block - at least 120, 150 if your looking at PPS
You said add a boomie so + 90
at that point you're looking at 560 or so. And your still left with a plasic grip frame.

The performance of the above two markers isn't even close. The Blazer will wipe out the cocker at this point. At that is basicly a blazer with all the preformance options, everything else is basicly cosmetic.

The Blazer will be more effiencnt, lighter and more compact, most people with no experience with either marker will shoot it better because of the pivot vs sliding trigger(add another 84+ to the cocker for the same)

People don't like Blazers because they are "ugly" and not alot of people have experience with one, everyone that has tried any of the one's I've owned, or the one my wife currently owns, haven't loved it.

[mykroft]

Why bother with a new front block? the only thing that might need upgrading on a 2k2 cocker is the 3-way, and those are sub-$40. Add a Bomb or Dye 3-way and my cocker is $580, with an eclipse frame and a boomer, and will run away from the Blazer performance-wise. That super heavy blazer trigger is NOT faster than a Eclipse'd cocker. The Quick Ram and Rock regs are really just bragging rights, the Stock/STO Ramis as good, if not better performing than the palmer part, and the Sledgehammer is a sweet reg, hence it being spec'd on Evo's and Eclipse cockers.

I've shot a Blazer, and I'll take the CF STO 45 frame currently spec'd on the stock cockers over the stock blazer trigger anyday.

[headcase]

So I'm guessing you've shot a stock blazer trigger? The .45 trigger is simple wonderful, I'll admit I haven't seen/shot an eclipse pivot, but out running a revy with the .45 is easy. I'm not trying to change your mind, I stopped doing that a long time ago, it's not worth it people like what they like. Also I don't hate cockers, I'm starting the build up on my 3rd one this winter sometime, but the only reason I'm doing it is becuase I like to screw with 'cockers, if I cared only about preformance(or if my wife didn't already have one) I would by another Blazer.

Blazer
400 + male stab = 490
and if you want the .45 + 65 = 555
matched barrel + 20 = 575

Cocker 350
bomb 40
eclipse 110
boomie 90 = 580

At this point you still don't have an adjustable LPR. Yeah the sledge is a fine reg, Bud has been saying that for years, but it's still not externally adjustable without that big stupid looking end cap. The Blazer is still lighter, more compact, more effiencent, and just a much better designed marker.

To each there own.

[mykroft]

I don't dispute that the Blazer is a well built gun. In Fact the Phantom is about the only thing built as well.

Adjustable reg=quick way to screw up your cocker. I had one on my 99 cocker, set it once (To match the Sledge) and never touched it.Don't see the need.

I've tried a stock blazer, and the trigger on that $900 job that was at IAO (Ungassed), it in no way compares to the Eclipse frame. The one time I had an eclipse hinged STO in my hands with paint, I was easily outshooting the hopper, and I only usually do 10-11bps on my Defiant and RT, I'm not particularily fast. The Eclipse hinge trigger, is light, smooth like buttah and perfectly sprung, fully adjustable too, if that floats your boat, adjustment is the same as a Bushy.

I'm not disputing that the Blazers are good guns, I just don't think they justify the cash, I'd be a lot happier with a stock cocker and a CP barrel for $390 than that $575 Blazer you spec'd out.

It's a personal preference thing on whether the gun is worth the money, I'll gladly say the same for a Bushy vs. an Angel, I just don't see the advantage of the Angel, but I would pay a stupid amount of money for a Mag or Bushy, because they're my thing.

[headcase]

At least we agree on one thing, it's all about what you like. I also don't like Angels, but then again I don't like any off the electros with the "click" triggers, and why I'll have my E-mag at the end of the week - crosses fingers.

Well I guess this topic has gone far enought off course. SO I'll just say I like how the Typhocker looks, and would love to shoot it someday, but I wouldn't pay for it. I would, at this point, have a CF Tyhoon w/Pump kit for what was paid for it and then build a 'cocker too.

[Chaos]

I'd like to add, you cant get much more than the eclipse frame. Its just like you described it, smooth like butter, fully adjustable, and nice as hell. Just wanted to support it, since I have a cocker being built right now with an eclipse blade, and my friend has the blue-silver eclipse cocker with blade, that cocker he has is the nicest cocker I've ever shot (and I've shot em all, revenge, shocktech, kapp, everything).

I've never shot a blazer, so I cant get into that. But I can get into the angel/bushy convo. The angel is built nicer, it feels nicer, and wont break. I've seen angels thrown accross fields and work perfectly. I've never seen an angel break down (and I've been with thousands of angels), the only one I've seen that didn't work was one that some guy was trying to 'reinvent' the internal operation or something like that, which was his own fault cause he took the thing apart and mangled all the parts and stuff. As for bushmasters, the only one I've seen that I like is an eclipse skys bushy that my friend had, it was nice, but was far from stock.

Let me have this example: CalJam 2001, WDP was there, Cobra was there, and ICD was there. At the WDP booth, I didn't see anyone bringing up angels to fix, I didn't even seen them 'fixing' and angels, just tuning them for people to get the trigger the way the person wanted it or something like that. Same with cobra. Then i saw the ICD booth. The techs were sitting there with a pile of bushys to fix, and they were litterally to the point that they were just beating them with hammers. The whole event they spent fixing bushys, and thats it. They sat there with a boat load of parts that they admitted were cheap (even down to the gauges), that they had to replace on gun after gun.

As for me personally, I wouldn't own either, I dont really like them. Having a gun that I spent $1500 on that if I were to scratch it, its another $500 or so to get it reanodized, if I were to need to replace something like the body (its another $700 or so + $200 for ano) and things like that. I'm happy with my mags and cockers, and true I put about $900 into my centerflag electro cocker and all that, every part can be replaced (the only expensive part is the centerflag frame, which CF fully stands behind so I'm fine with it). Give me a stock cocker with eclipse frame and timed perfectly and i'll be completely happy.

[Muzikman]

Ok...I have to ask...Headcase, is that your rabbit with the pancakes on it's head? And if so, Why?:)

[headcase]

Nope not my rabbit, have no idea why it has pancakes on it's head, I just like the picture.

It's just too many people just except things without any explaination, I really don't like that. So always ask why.

That's just me I guess.

[thei3ug]

If you put all the things that were put into that 900 dollar blazer on a cocker, it would come to well over 1k. You can be opinionated all you want on the necessity of the individual parts, but if you're parting it out, you're basically saying that buying a thousand dollar SFL is no better than buying a stock cocker. I'm really missing where the "less features" comes in. I'd seriously like to know. Oh, I'd like to know where the "too heavy" comes in as well.

I guess I first took offense when you called glenn a bad guy, especially when he's bought me dinner and boozed me out, and helped me with my shyness around women. Maybe loyalty can be bought with dinner and a beer, and maybe Glenn should do that for everyone who gives him a glance to win the hearts and minds of the children of america. But this hostility and intent to compare and belittle pps products where someone's trying to show off something people asked about... i just don't get it.

[WARPED1]

Last I knew,Blaxers are hand built.The cocker is just another masspeoduced gun,like any other.To me,it justifies the price difference.

[Muzikman]

Accually, the Blazer is mass-produced. It's the only gun that Palmers makes that is. Most of the parts are made at other machine shops and then sent back to Palmers to be assembled. But they are still VERY high quality.