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  • ScatterPlot
    Not pop, it's all Coke
    • Jan 2002
    • 1960
    #1

    Question about trigger travel and sears, limits on them

    Hey, I gots me a couple questions. I wanna start out first by saying that yeah I understand how mags work and all, but I am slightly confused about an intricacy of the sear assembly. I know that foreward travel of the sear is halted by the rail (at least I think it is, it might be something inside the frame itself). That's one of the questions. The other question is about where the sear's back travel is halted. I know it moves as far back as the trigger does, and I think that's the reason that you shouldn't adjust your trigger rods- in essence you would be short-stroking every shot. I was wondering, hypothetically, is it OK for the sear to move as far back as it can when you shoot? Like make it be stopped only by the fact that the on-off cannot go in any further? Or does the sear need to stop at a specific point set by determining how far back the trigger can go? I know that's kinda confusing but if you could explain this I can die happy (I'm also thinking about making a mech trigger frame for mags). Thanks for your help
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    • RRfireblade
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      • Jun 2002
      • 5103
      #2
      It's quite simple really.

      The rearward pull ends at the limit of the triggers travel if the trigger rod is adjusted correctly.Beyond that the on/off body will be the final stopping point.

      The forward travel is a factor of the on/off pin length,after it's fully extended.....that's it.

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        • bertmcmahan
          Not pop, it's all Coke
          • Jan 2002
          • 1960
          #3
          Is it OK for the on-off to be the final stopping point? Will that wear or bend the pin in any way? How could I know, if I was to go out and make a frame, where to make the trigger go to? Sorry for all the questions, but thanks for the help.
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            • RRfireblade
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              • Jun 2002
              • 5103
              #4
              Originally posted by bertmcmahan
              Is it OK for the on-off to be the final stopping point? Will that wear or bend the pin in any way?
              Bert
              Sure,the pin flushes out in the on/off body.The sear will just stop on the on/off bottom.

              As for the frame,if you were to "make" one,allow a little extra room for trigger travel and then put in over travel stops and adjust it where ever you want.
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                • nicad
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                  • May 2002
                  • 992
                  #5
                  The AM/MM/RTP sear has a little "bump" on it that tags the body when coming forward-- this is the final "front" stop.

                  Depending on what valve your running (on/off assembly), there are two different answers for the final "back" stopping point.

                  1) on the classic on/off (with no 'slot' recessed around the pin hole), the sear will tag the on/off assembly, causing the on/off assembly to eventually peen out (bad).

                  2) on the RT/Xvalve on/off, the sear will not touch the on/off assembly but will instead tag the body directly infront of the on/off hole.

                  The Emag sear, altho slithgly different, should behave in the same way.

                  out!
                  ColinMoritz

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                    • RRfireblade
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                      • Jun 2002
                      • 5103
                      #6
                      Originally posted by nicad
                      The AM/MM/RTP sear has a little "bump" on it that tags the body when coming forward-- this is the final "front" stop.

                      Depending on what valve your running (on/off assembly), there are two different answers for the final "back" stopping point.

                      1) on the classic on/off (with no 'slot' recessed around the pin hole), the sear will tag the on/off assembly, causing the on/off assembly to eventually peen out (bad).

                      2) on the RT/Xvalve on/off, the sear will not touch the on/off assembly but will instead tag the body directly infront of the on/off hole.

                      The Emag sear, altho slithgly different, should behave in the same way.

                      out!
                      I don't believe that to be the case,at least not on any of the Mags I have right here.
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                        • la690
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                          • Apr 2002
                          • 647
                          #7
                          is there any way to safely add a trigger stop to a mech with the ULT or is every bit of rear travel neccesary?
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                            • nicad
                              wannabe newbe
                              • May 2002
                              • 992
                              #8
                              RRfireblade-

                              not the case to which part..?
                              ColinMoritz

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                                • RRfireblade
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                                  • Jun 2002
                                  • 5103
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by nicad
                                  RRfireblade-

                                  not the case to which part..?
                                  It's really no biggie but......

                                  I can only comment on the R/T/X set ups right now.

                                  With out taking any real measurements,it seems pretty apparent by simply pulling the valve and looking inside the body that the sear to on/off contact point ,at full pull, protrudes far more than neccessary to contact the on/off body before the 'nub' makes it to the marker body.The on/off assembly pretty much sits right on the bottom of the body when installed(I know this is so because if you shim a ULT to far,it hits the body and won't allow you to slide the valve in),with the on/off pin needing a hair more than 1/16" ballpark to fully recess,the sear protudes at least 1/8"-3/16" (est) into the body.

                                  Or so it seems to me.

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                                    • nicad
                                      wannabe newbe
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 992
                                      #10
                                      your correct on the backstop.. even on an RT/X/ULT the sear will tag the on/off assembly before the body.. in a conversation with Tom a week or so ago it seems that it is not a problem with "going all the way back"..


                                      Me:
                                      > #4-- what happens if the sear is allowed to go "all the way" back.. it
                                      > will tag the on/off assembly on classic and tag the body on RT/Xvalves ...
                                      > correct?
                                      Tom K:
                                      It should be ok ... .


                                      hope this helps some.. and not confuse any worse.
                                      out!
                                      ColinMoritz

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