** Potential Superbolt Problem Please Read**

[dogEmedic]

Well it seemed like the first shot was fine then chop, cleaned the barrel opened the power feed first one dropped in shot fine then chop again. Repeated the cleaning process same as before but watched the power feed when I pulled the trigger the second paintball only fell halfway into the gun. I didn't have any small paint and had to use big ole brass eagle.
Afterwards I put the old bolt in and shot 20 paintballs as fast as I could with no breaks (impressive for brass eagle)

Alan

[cledford]

Could it be a combo problem with nubbins also?

AGD/All:

I put my super bolt through the paces this weekend with pretty bad results also. I was chopping so much (like 1 ball per 10 shots) I yanked it back out after 2 games. Replaced it with a long-nose - but kept the plastic nubbins - still chopped like mad. I then went to P nubbins short bolt (should have only changed one variable, but at that point was about ready to throw my gun into a tree like Rob AGD did that day...)

Anyhow, the chopping simmered down after that - so I attributed to the nubbins, not the bolt.

I was running a stock emag with Warp (new battery), with the stock AGD barrel. Started out with super bolt and plastic nubbins that shipped with it, and was shooting brand new Diablo Inferno paint.

I'm planning on shaving down the nubbins a little and trying it again next weekend.

I've "eye balled" the super and regular bolts and they seem very close in length - I'll whip out the calipers tonight to check the actual lengths.

-Calvin

[Russ]

cleford,

try using just one plastic nubbin, if your using 2.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19670

[X-Plosive]

I haven't had any problems yet, infact i haven't chopped a single ball. I was using premium, I don't think I'm going to tinker with it.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Not to take you away from the R&D Table, TK..but i was wondering if you had to come to any conclusions about the Superbolts..I'm a little tool inept and i'd be more than willing to send mine off to the Factory after New Years (gotta give the AGD crew a little new years break) if that's what it will take to get everything all okey-dokey...

[Miscue]

It's cake sanding it by hand, just takes some time is all. I just used 400 grit wet, cuz what I had handy... put the paper on a table, run the bolt on it flush like grating cheese. Rotate constantly to sand evenly... came out good.

[damageinc54]

That will work just fine

[AGD]

Guys,

We trimmed down all the bolts in house so if you have one coming it will be fine. We can trim them here if you send them back. We would like to do them in one big batch so if you can stand by we will give you more details when we figure it out.

AGD

[e1ement5]

AGD/ALL

I took out the my digital caliper and compared the superbbolt to my stock e-mag bolt and they are only different by.001". Is this correct could some of the super bolts be of correct length?

[Arand]

After sanding the bolt down, I no longer chop. The bolt however, breaks 1 in 20 balls. No chops. The breaks occur when the bolt contacts the ball. I've been alternating shooting a hopper with the extended nose bolt, then going with the superbolt. In 2 hoppers, shot at about 8 bps, using the extended nose bolt, I have zero (0) breaks or chops. Using the superbolt, its ball break city. No chops though. Even on slow, single shots, the superbolt is breaking paint.

I noticed the face of the superbolt is quite different from the extended nose, could this be the problem?

Any suggestions are welcome.

[AGD]

Arand,

Please do a bounce test on that paint and are you using the honed superbolt spring for both tests? I need this info, please post here.

Thanks

AGD

[Arand]

AGD,

I am using the honed bolt and plastic nubbins on a stock emag. When I was testing the bolt the other day I was using a mix bag of leftover paint which included Hellfire, Great American and Blaze. I broke the most blaze, followed closely by the Great American, then broke a few hellfire.

Bounce Test of 10 balls:

Great American - Avg 4 bounces
Blaze - Avg 4 bounces
Hellfire - Avg 7 bounces

From reading your post on paint quality, it would seem that the Great American and Blaze are pretty poor quality. I will try the bolt with fresh paint (I'll do the bounce test first) next weekend.

Why do you think it is that with the extended nose, I'm having zero problems with paint breakage? I've shot over 400 rounds in the last couple days, testing, with perfect results using the extended nose stainless bolt. The 300 or so round using the superbolt have had poor results.

On a side note, the plastic nubbins seem to be working great. They accommodate a wide variety of ball sizes without needed adjustment. I'm not having any paint breakage problems with them.

Thanks,

Arand

[AGD]

Arand,

Please post the individual bounce numbers for the paint. I need to see how variable the paint is. I am spending my Christmas vacation working on this problem. It might just be from shoving the ball into the breach, hard to tell right now.

AGD

[Russ]

I'm gonna follow this closely. I played indoors on Thursday night (12-20), and had severe ball breakage with the superbolt/E-Mag/Warp Feed combo.

I'm using the superbolt with my old bolt spring, which has 35,000 or so shots. It's been de-burred, and is smooth. I'm using the same plastic nubbins in the stock barrel, that I got for testing a while back. They have worked well with the stock bolt. I trimmed the superbolt -.015".

The paint I used was ZAP Performance Plus, which averaged .4 (yes, .4! in the bounce test. It dropped right through the barrel (NOTE: I've started a new test in the bounce test thread, see results there for details) Velocity was set at 260fps.

All the paint broke on the bolt face. My son shot 1500+ of the same paint through his GenX-3 'Cocker, with not a single break! I shot maybe 400 PB's, and had so many breaks it was absurd.

The only thing that has changed in my set-up is the addition of the superbolt.

Russ

[AGD]

Russ,

I might want you to glue a piece of foam on the front of your bolt face and try that. I am going in to work now to test bolt speed on the gun dyno.

AGD