Obsolete?

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

I hear how people are saying that Mags have an obsolete design. I hear how people are saying that Pumps and stock class markers are obsolete. I hear people say that brass eagle markers are obsolete.

I've played with all these types of markers and they seem to work perfectly fine and can compete well with other higher end markers. Everyone I hear that sais a marker is obsolete probably has no clue what they are talking about. From what i tend to see it's because they don't know how to use the marker or it's because they stink at the game and blame it on the marker.

Brass Eagle Markers - I started paintball with one of their markers and it never let me down, except when i left it sitting in the closet for a few years with old paint on it wearing down all the orings and stuff like that. (I was new to the game i didnt know any better). I was also amazingly impressed by the Talon! it shot accurately and i could get a good 25-30 shots off 1 12gram! I don't know how brass eagle got such a bad reputation, i keep on hearing stories of how they break down too easily and other things like that...but if you are just beginning to play the sport, i wouldn't expect you to know how to maintain your marker.

Pumps - well, many of the new players that are getting into the sport dont really like to aim. They just shower a bunker with paintballs and re-aim according to where their paintballs go (which isn't that bad of a strategy). With pumps it's kinda different. You actually need to AIM!(which i know some people don't like to do) Competing against modern markers is quite difficult with a pump marker but these guns can still kick the orings outa other guns!

Stock Class - Used by the more experianced players. I have not seen a stock class marker in the hands of a beginner. The people that wield stock class markers are either amazingly skilled or amazingly poor...or both. Stock class markers are seen to be obsolete to some players because they can only hold around 10-20 paintballs at a time. But with the right player behind the gun, it can do a lot of damage.

Mags - What was the rumor about mags? It chops too much??? Well tell me this, have you ever seen a marker not chop a paintball? cockers, angels, timmys, bushys, mags, spyders, even pumps. I've seen em all chop paintballs. What was the other rumor? mags don't get enough range? ...whoever made that rumor is a complete dumbdonkey.

Ok...i think i overexplained a lot of things here so lemme just get to the point...if there is one

No design is obsolete! They all have their ups and downs. Point Zero pumps, mags, matrixes, cockers, etc. They all get the job done.

[ZapTheMad]

One of my buddies has an old stinkray. Still plays with it every time we go. And to my suprise, it still works every time too! I've been trying to sell him one of my suped up spyders for some time. He's just happy with what he's got even tho it's a fugly beat up monster.

Me on the other hand, loves all the bells, toys, and whistles. To each his own!

[blakdragon21]

YOu can live in your dream world all you want but those guns are obsolet compared to the high end electics of today, viks, timmies, angels. The speed of the guns you listed above can't match the speeds of high end electros there fore they are not even worth using. I used to be a mag man, classic, then x-valved, then emag, then x-mag, they do not compare to my viking or timmy in speed. THe vik and timmy are just as accurate and don't suck air. you can play blind man all you want but the shepard has shown this sheep the righteous way out of the depths of agd hell.

[ZapTheMad]

What about little johnny down the street that saved up for a year worth of mowing lawns just to buy a spyder and a 47ci tank to upgrade from that talon he got at walmart for his birthday from his mommy that's on welfare, is he obsolete too?

[gc82000]

YOu can live in your dream world all you want but those guns are obsolet compared to the high end electics of today, viks, timmies, angels. The speed of the guns you listed above can't match the speeds of high end electros there fore they are not even worth using.

Blakdragon21 you are a royal Dumba$$. I challenge you to show me why speed is so great and a must have in every gun. If I remember correctly the Phantom pump was the most accurate gun of its time, and still is an extremely accurate gun to this date. I don't know about you but I would give a guy more props if he shot someone out with his last ball then if he sprayed the entire field and shot more people.
Yes I give you that speed is impressive, but the person behind the gun is the true deadly weapon.

[warbeak2099]

A high rof does not make a gun better than another gun. Have you ever seen those stock class teams take on electros? Notice how they win a lot? That's called skill. I think everyone is forgetting that the player makes the gun not the other way around. Everytime I hear someone say that a certain gun won't be able to compete with other guns because it's slower, I cringe. First of all the guns aren't competing, the players are. Second if you use a little thing called strategy (and yes I'm still talking about speedball here), you can take on any opponent. You just have to adjust your strategy for different opponents. Going up against a guy who likes to spew out paint? Bide your time. Pop out and go back in bunkers real quick. Make him frusterated. Try to distract him while your other teamates move to bunker him. Now hold on a minute, there's something wrong with that strategy right? You didn't shoot at all and your teamates really didn't need to shoot that fast when they bunkered him! Wow, that's strange isn't it? People who say a gun is only good because it's fast are retarded and don't deserve the slightest ounce of respect. Obviously they're either not very good or just incredibly arrogant. Screw them, we don't need them in our sport.

[RRfireblade]

There's really no such thing as "obsolete" in the sport of paintball.The marker doesn't make a big enough difference in the outcome of a game for that to be the case.As long as it's legal and functions reliably,you ultimately have the final word on the outcome of the game.

Now,does the Marker allow you to perform at your maximum level,is an entirely different question and one only you can answer.That is where the distinction between guns really lies.

[Pand0ra]

warbeak2099, you obviously don't play at a high level. ROF is nowaday one of the most important thing to have, with the reliablility of a marker which don't break paint.

Let's take a few examples:
Sweet spoting. The higher the ROF, the better. The more paint you put in the air, the more chance you have to hit your opponents. This is THE moment when you must have a very high ROF.

Snapshoot. Ok the guy with the stock class is accurate. Good. I'm too, but I can shot 3-4 balls in 1/4s, when he can only shoot one. Numbers are on my side, I've way more chance to hit him than he does.

Now let's see those killer moves. My back players shoot continuously at 15bps, locking efficiently the whole field. Same thing for the front players.
The guys in front of us can only do one thing: stay behind their bunker. They've got too much pressure on them to do anything on the field, and can't do the same thing with their stock marker. We've also the tactic, and know how to move and how do bunker them... End of the game in less than a minute, if we take our time.

Your point of view was valid a few years ago, but is obsolete now.
Look how the fields in the NPPL, PSP or Millennium are designed. Games are more and more agressives, with lot of paint in the air.
If you want to win, you need a fast marker.
The only marker not obsolete by AGD is the Xmag, but only if you've got the latest software. I don't use mine anymore for this reason, and bought a Shocktech timmy.

Peace, @++

[zacbot]

i dont see how you guys can argue which style of paintball is better..spray and pray and stock class are completely different styles of play

[RRfireblade]

The difference between 'obsolete' and 'state of the art' as it pertains to internet paintball is about 2 balls a second.

In the real world of paintball the difference is about 2 intelligent 'thoughts' a second.

[bryceeden]

My whole team uses Mecs mostly mags and cockers. We compeat against Timmies, E-cockers, and Angels all the time, and guess what we have been compleatly undefeated in three years. As far as controling the whole field goes it can't be done unless you are up on bodys and at that point a mec is just as effective, if I have a 20bps stream on my bunker I'll shoot out the other side, if they put another guy on that side I'll shoot higher or lower than he is shooting, and because they have two on me they have none on one of my team mates who has just moved up because they left him with noone shooting and usually noone watching him. As for laning 8-13bps will get them out just as well as 20bps if the shoother knows how to lead a target and aim. At the end of the day my team has always won(its hard not to when you never lose a game) and we actually make a profet from the prize money because we haven't used much paint.

On the other side I use a Phantom SC for the practice some times against weaker teams, and I can easily beat the electros because I have such a low profile and am a billion times more accurate than most of them.

Yes, it is fun to go out and just spray paint, but it is ALL the player not the gun.

[p8nt_junkie]

I think that the while the guns that are being compared are different, it doesn't make one type or the other obsolete. They are used in different styles of play. In my experience I really only see pumps and old mags at the rec ball fields around here. And I see all of the high end paintslingers at the speedball fields. There is nothing wrong with that, it's just a different style of playing. I agree that the player makes the gun, but the type of field and type of play suggest the type of marker to carry with you. On rare occasion I have seen some pumps at the speedball field, and they do ok. But generally it is some guy that is a little older and more experienced. You just don't give a pump to a 13 tr. old and say "cover me I'm going to bunker that guy in my mirror". That's insane (would be cool to see the look on his face though)! No guns are obsolete BECAUSE no styles of play are obsolete!

[athomas]

No marker is obsolete as long as it works. Making comparisons against various markers is based on style of play not on whether the marker is still usefull. Saying a stock class pump is obsolete because it can't keep up to an electro semi is not correct. What would happen if you showed up to a stock class tourny with an electro semi. The electro semi would be worthless.

In woods ball on a large field, a pump can be very fun. It also forces you to use your skills. I find that many of us, myself included, rely too much on firepower and lose the finer points of skill. I have to take a step backwards every now and then and pick up my trusty pump and go play. I find my skill level increases whenever I do that.

Now, if I was going to the speedball field, I want firepower. I drop the pump and pick up my emag. Its a different field of play.

[spadge67]

I think its a dumb discussion, its opened a can of worms that very very VERY tired of bieng opened. Its the same old talk about electros vs non, or semi vs pump, or cheap vs expensive. WHO CARES!!!!!


i love b-eagle's, theyre damn industrictible. gotta love a marker that you can throw 80 feet into the air, skip it across gravel, throw in mud, pick it up, get dirt outta the asa and barrel, air it up, and shoot. i love it

[Target Practice]

Very few markers are technically "obsolete". MW defines obsolete as "no longer in use or no longer useful, of a kind or style no longer current". There are very few markers that are truely "no longer in use". As being "a style no longer current", you will find a little more, but they're still building Talons, Tippys, and Spyders. As for being "no longer useful"...anybody who gets painted by a $30 dollar Talon is just as out as a one who gets tagged by a $1300 X-Mag.