Obsolete?

[kscullin]

A lot of people think BE markers break easily because many of them have plastic bodies without ever trying one (it's plastic, it must break easily). I've even heard of people saying that BE guns have plastic internals! Some people do have bad experiences, but any company can make a lemon, and BE markets so many more markers than just about anybody else that they're bound to get more lemons.

One of the best ones I've heard is about the Raptors and Genesis series - "They're pieces of crap because they're aluminum - get a Spyder". Isn't that classic?

They have had some quality control issues with the plastic on the newer "clear" models (Talon ghost, TS Crystal, Stingray II Ice) and the Blade, but they've since upgraded the plastic and it's better now (though still not as good as the black Zytel - don't know why they went away from that). They fail to consider that many combat capable weapons also have platstic bodies that are nearly indestructible (e.g. M-16, Glock).

Many newer players hear this point of view, and just decide that it must be true.

I agree, there are no obsolete markers, just lousy players. If it shoots paint at above 250 fps with reasonable accuracy, it can be used effectively. My nephew was DEADLY with his Talon in the woods - I watched him bunker 2 guys with Spyders in one move once (too bad we couldn't get him to keep his mask on ).

[Torbo]

why is it a big deal? who cares what people think of your marker of choice? obsolete or not, who cares? if it works for you, then what does it matter?

edit: i realized this isnt always true. For example say im playing some rec ball. Ive got a completely random team. I shoot a timmy, and i play front/snake. Theres a guy on my team shooting a classic mag.
Do i: A. Tell him to play over top of me while iu go up the snake?
or B. have him go up, while i play back?

anyone with common sence is gonna say b. Its a ramdom team, meaning that i probably wont have the teammwork and communication that a regular team would have. His classic mag isnt going to do much to keep their backs from pounding me in the snake. Its also not gonna do a whole lot to keep their fronts from coming up the tape on me. With the speed of a faster gun, even if he isnt communicating well, he could at least lock down some of their bunkers.

Maybe that doesnt make sense to you, but thats about how it works.

[blakdragon21]

gc82000 lol, I am a dumba$$??? hahahah you must be blind and retarded to think that a person with a pump could take a person with a timmy of the same skill level. OF courese it could happen but more times the timmy would win. I think you are just mad cause you probalby have a talon or pump and always get bunkered and bonus balled and go home crying.

[kscullin]

Blackdragon - that's why they invented this cool new concept called teamwork. You may have heard of it.

You are correct, a player with a pump is not going to win a toe-to-toe hosefest against an electro. This means the pump player has to play smarter than the guy who is dependant on his firepower - if he tries to play the same game as the electro, he's going to get his head handed to him. Effective communication, effective use of cover fire from his teammates and proper movement techniques are what are going to let him win.

[blakdragon21]

yeah exactly but what does teamwork have to do with the gun?????? We are talking about guns obsolete not stratageies, your parents should have made you obsolete the day before you were born.

[shartley]

[bunkermaster10]

Well nothin is obsolete cause its all for different skill levels. Tourny ballers like myself can't use talons and most mech markers cause we need the most BPS we can get. So for tourny ballers I guess most of the markers you listed are obsolete, but Its all about what skill level you are at.

[TheTramp]

.... your parents should have made you obsolete the day before you were born.

And your sad flaming just made you obsolete.

[kscullin]

The strategies you employ, as a player and as a team member, have everything to do with your ability to compete in a given arena with the gun of your choice. A pump is not a good choice of marker for getting in a face-to-face gunfight with an electro - in that case, it is "obsolete" (using the term loosely). However, combined with the right strategies and tactics, the pump gun is no longer "obsolete", even against electros.

[Target Practice]

gc82000 lol, I am a dumba$$???...blind and retarded... person.... OF courese [sic]...I...always get bunkered and bonus balled and go home crying.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[coolcatpete]

Blakdragon21 you are a royal Dumba$$. I challenge you to show me why speed is so great and a must have in every gun. If I remember correctly the Phantom pump was the most accurate gun of its time, and still is an extremely accurate gun to this date. I don't know about you but I would give a guy more props if he shot someone out with his last ball then if he sprayed the entire field and shot more people.
Yes I give you that speed is impressive, but the person behind the gun is the true deadly weapon.

How is it so accurate when accuracy is paint to barrel match.
Pete

[shivors]

You people are hilarious. Another reason NOT to play speed ball.

[AGDlover]

hey re re it depends on preasure too

[blakdragon21]

you can say whatever you want but if I was going to say here I will give you this phantom pump or this 2k2 timmy, you know you would take the timmy over the pump.

[shartley]

you can say whatever you want but if I was going to say here I will give you this phantom pump or this 2k2 timmy, you know you would take the timmy over the pump.

You can think what whatever you want, but if you were to offer me a phantom pump or a 2k2 timmy... I would take the phantom.

Not everyone looks at paintball like you do. Not everyone plays the same way you do. Not every game format used in paintball is the same.

There is room for all types of markers, and all styles of play. And no one style is "better" or takes "more skill" than any other... they all take slightly different skills. And no one style of play has "better" paintball players than any other. The style of play does not dictate the overall ability and skill of a player by virtue of playing that style of game.

You know what I wish was obsolete? Narrow minds and conceptions.