Obsolete?

[puckmaster]

Yep, that what i meant. If people can work over people with pumps, they should be able to do it against three people.



That was sarcasm. I think you know what i meant tho. even if the teams are 5 on 5 or 10 man or 1 on 1. It will be VERY difficult for the pump players to "make there shots count" when ONE player is railing 15 bps at them.

[shartley]

Yep, that what i meant. If people can work over people with pumps, they should be able to do it against three people.



That was sarcasm. I think you know what i meant tho. even if the teams are 5 on 5 or 10 man or 1 on 1. It will be VERY difficult for the pump players to "make there shots count" when ONE player is railing 15 bps at them.

[Orion33]

tippmanns are the guns to start out with cause u can hurl them at walls and submerge them under mud and nothing will be wrong with it...

not form person experiences..but from friends who own brass eagle stuff..ive learned to stay away from them

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

but why would you want to hurl a gun at a wall? why would you want to submerge your gun in mud?...and when on earth would a person on the field have to hurl their gun at a wall?

Many guns can survive being chucked at a wall (yes, even brass eagle markers)....but here is another question, why would you do that to your marker?

[puckmaster]

1. Yes, i totaly think that anyone can a player down for a second or two with a pump. Its just that it would be VERY difficult for you to get out and get that shot reletivly close to the other guy when hes dumping paint. And no, it doenst take 15 bps to keep someone down, i just thru out that number.

2. Yes, it is possible. Everything is possible, but it would be very very very difficult to pull it off. And ya, one of my points are that markers ARE a factor, but it cant do it all, just like you said.

3. Again, i agree.

4. I think i agree with that.

But all i mean to say or prove is that the gun can make a difference in some situations.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

...i think it's the person behind the trigger. If the person with that super expensive $1300 toy has no clue how to use it and just shoots the bunker to make that annoying clanging noise to try to scare the persond behind the bunker,

well lets just say that will keep newbies down but for the experianced players they will take that opportunity to cap you right in the face. It only takes one shot

[Got_Paint]

I jumped in on this late

1st off heck, even paint on your finger is not obsolete

Someone opened up a big pet peeve of mine. Saying that "pumps are good for recball but for more skilled players you need a higher end gun" Not the persons exact words (I am too lazy and tired to look back)

I hate the idea now that you aren't a serious paintballer or aren't competive unless you own an "uber bl$ng Bl$nG angel" or play tourney's. If I could only play with one gun for the rest of my life the phantom or the timmy, I would take the phantom HANDS DOWN. I enjoy a challenge. Which brings me to a another point.

Am I the only one who thinks that someone with a pump is a far more competive person on the field? Their willing to go to the ends of the earth to get that elimanation bunkering, moving and AIMING. To me that is far more competive than semi play.

As to keeping someone down with only about 5 shots. I don't see why can't keep someone down with one shot. I mean if you actually try to aim you should be able to hit them first shot.

Now though if you took two equally experienced players with the same skill, one with a phantom and the other with a timmy. The timmy would most likely win.

Sorry for the ranting big pet peeve, and yes I am jaded most tourny play.

[magmonkey]

pumps are not obsolete, they are a useful tool to learn (and keep in practice)
alot of the finer points of playing paintball.

I have an emag, a micro retrovalve, two dc vikings,a angel, a few cockers and a pile of other high end guns and this season they are all collecting dust and I have used my vsc phantom or my pump mini mag every weekend so far.
this does several things for me.

#1 I played for THREE weeks on less than it would have cost me for one day of play with my other markers, this is very important seeing how I am getting married in three months and money is getting tight but I still need to keep in practice.

#2 when you have only 10 shots until you have to reload you learn (or relearn) how to aim and the importance of picking your targets

#3 it teachs you how to get VERY agressive in your field movement, you have less gear, less weight, you can move faster and it is just plain fun to blow the head off of some high end toting chump who thinks you are a "STUPID NOOB" for shooting a "beginer" gun.

#4 it is fun to go to a new field in jeans and a t shirt and get treated like you know absolutly nothing about the game.

[puckmaster]

I jumped in on this late

1st off heck, even paint on your finger is not obsolete

1. Someone opened up a big pet peeve of mine. Saying that "pumps are good for recball but for more skilled players you need a higher end gun" Not the persons exact words (I am too lazy and tired to look back)

2. I hate the idea now that you aren't a serious paintballer or aren't competive unless you own an "uber bl$ng Bl$nG angel" or play tourney's. If I could only play with one gun for the rest of my life the phantom or the timmy, I would take the phantom HANDS DOWN. I enjoy a challenge. Which brings me to a another point.

3. Am I the only one who thinks that someone with a pump is a far more competive person on the field? Their willing to go to the ends of the earth to get that elimanation bunkering, moving and AIMING. To me that is far more competive than semi play.

4. As to keeping someone down with only about 5 shots. I don't see why can't keep someone down with one shot. I mean if you actually try to aim you should be able to hit them first shot.

5. Now though if you took two equally experienced players with the same skill, one with a phantom and the other with a timmy. The timmy would most likely win.

Sorry for the ranting big pet peeve, and yes I am jaded most tourny play.

1. Ya, that is a bunch of crap. The high end gun will make you LOOK better in recball if you are getting ready for a game or in the staging area. There are too many little 11 year old jackasses at the field i work at that wear there headbands/du rags, where the jerseys that my team sold them, and have the dm4s, or aliases that they "worked for". Whenever new people come in, they say they dont want to play against them, because there so good, even tho no games have been played yet.

2. Same type of kids say that. You arnt a bad *** player unless you play tourneys or shoot timmys or angels. It just pisses me off. A true baller is the player that can play game after game, all day, with any gun. that player can loose all the games that day, but the important part is, he keeps playing. He doenst care about winning or losing, or glory, He just comes in at 10 am, and leaves at 10 pm, playing ball the whole time. And personaly, i'd take the timmy over the phantom, only because i play more tournys and practices than rec.

3. A person with a pump CAN be more competetive, but its not always so.

4. If you always have a little stream going after him, then if he tries to run, he might just run right thru it, where as if your waiting for him to come up, he coulel come out other angles, or make a quick move where you woulndt have time to "re-setup". If its one on one, then might be possible.

5. Yep, i agree with you there.

as i said before, its not the gun, its how there person uses the gun.

[bryceeden]

OMFG...man you really need to attend Analogy 101.

Even if you were desperate for a Phantom you would still take the timmy to sell...

Your diging. If you plan to sell it it isn't pertinate to this debate. For playing I would take the phantom.

[Sprite]

Funny how this seems to pop up every time, the debate will never cease...

I own both a Stock Class Phantom, A Sniper 02 and a Retro valve Mag and I enjoy playing with my pump guns more than with the mag just for the simple fact that it is a totally unique playing style.

Naturally you don't go head to head against someone with a higher rate of fire. Having a lower rate makes you think different, more of on the spot not spray and pray. Yeah you can have your higher end marker shoot X amount bps but it doesn't matter, It takes only one shot, ONE to eliminate you from the game. I play speed ball with my Phantom and I can hold my own and keep in mind I'm playing stock against guys with Semi's. Yes teamwork plays a role but also a guy with a pump is usually thought of as an easy target by most ppl. Not saying that I'm all that good but pump players are easily underestimated.

Like stated before, No gun is really obsolete unless it doesn't shoot paint. It all comes down to the style of play and the uniqueness of the player.

Not all of us are speedball players. Not all of us have the same style of play. We don't all think the same. I dare you to pick up a pump gun and go up against a bunch of guys with semi's. A rude awakening you will have... Never knock it till you try it...