AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
I know man it looks the best when it is photoshopped!!!
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Red Ule Body
Red X Valve w/LX and ULT
Red Winged Roguerai
lRed CP Foregrip
Black Logic 1.1 Vert Frame
Black Unimount
Black 14" 689 Matchstik
68/4500 Crossfire
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I think that that picture was put together a little out of focus... but otherwise, I think that the origionality of each product is what companies are looking for. Some people look at a DM4 and say "wow, that looks like a melted hunk of metal" while others look at it and say "that milling makes that marker stand out"
its all about which way you look at the topic, there are definatly reasons for different shapes (physical, purpose, comfort) but that extra milling, that extra uniqueness is what people are looking for when they want to purchase a marker...
Hey, some people (not this guy) dig the DM4. It has...uh...progressive styling. Personally, I don't like it, but the milling is impressive; there's no denying that. That hopper though, *shudder*, is one ugly mutha.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.
I think that there is more though. The guys responsible for the design and appearance of the equipment (industrial designers) are charged with the job of making what think this is a beautiful or successful look that will enhance sales.
There IS good design and bad design. What separates them is how "classic" a look is and that can only be seen after many years. Cars are a good example. Some cars have that timeless beauty about them that will remain no matter how old they get (like the Shelby Cobra or the 57 Chevy). Some cars are ugly when they are made and still look ugly 30 years down the road. Show me a marker that still looks good 10 years later and Ill show you good design.
IMO the Nike Shoe is NOT good design. The phrase "what looks new and hip today, looks old and tired tomorrow" applies to that Sure it looks "new" now but what are you buying for? a new look or a good look?
I think that there is more though. The guys responsible for the design and appearance of the equipment (industrial designers) are charged with the job of making what think this is a beautiful or successful look that will enhance sales.
There IS good design and bad design. What separates them is how "classic" a look is and that can only be seen after many years. Cars are a good example. Some cars have that timeless beauty about them that will remain no matter how old they get (like the Shelby Cobra or the 57 Chevy). Some cars are ugly when they are made and still look ugly 30 years down the road. Show me a marker that still looks good 10 years later and Ill show you good design.
IMO the Nike Shoe is NOT good design. The phrase "what looks new and hip today, looks old and tired tomorrow" applies to that Sure it looks "new" now but what are you buying for? a new look or a good look?
Very well siad this is also my opinion on things.
Pete
buddy why dont you try photoshopping something in but the DM4 has milling that is by far the best i have seen on a Matrix. so when you say the milling on the DM4 is bad just go look at the other Matrixs and tell me what there milling is like. and Angel air is nice cuz of the digital read out but is also heavy and those hoppers will not sell i dont so anyways
What z-man and I are saying that sure it may look cool now but in 20 years will that be the case. The automag is very simple looking gun. I like the look of the classics and they have been around forever so that is a good design. I just dont think people will like the llok of these in 20 years. Does that make sence because I am just kind of rambling on.
Pete
I'm not personally fond of the DM4. The milling is too extreme for my liking. I personally like the NYX's milling better then the DM4's. It's not as dramatic and over done. I like the simple boxy design with a a little bit of milling.
I think one last little bit of info I would present is this.
When a new invention or technology emerges. it takes several years for the "look" of that to form. Again, to use the car analogy when the first cars were designed, did they look like a car in the general sense? No. They looked like the technology that was currently used and closest to it: the horse drawn buggy. It took almost 30 years for the "look of what we call a car in the general sense to establish itself.
Look at paintball. It's a whole new realm of technology and activity. What should it look like? Well since its new, we will take our ideas from what we have around now. Real weapons (the sim gun look), the space gun look (seems to be influenced by Hollywood: Aliens, Starshp troopers, anything with contrived guns). I won't try to claim I know what the general "look" the the paintball marker will settle on but I will suggest that it wont be a carbon copy of any existing technology like military weapons or Super Soakers.
As was correctly pointed out, we all want to be known for our unique little group. Roller Bladers have their look and would be offended if you asked them if they were skateboarders. Paintball will settle into its own "look" that people will recognize.
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