mechanics of automags and autocockers

[Nexus]

No, this is not a thread about the never-ending competition between these two guns. i just have a question about the actual mechanics of them. A friend of mine claimed that they work basically the same; but with my basic knowledge, this doesn't seem quite right. I have a reasonable idea how mags operate, but I don't know much about autocockers outside of their basic principle of being something like a pump the cocks automatically (hence the name). Can anyone give me more information on the subject? This guys tends to think he knows more than he does, so I would like some information regarding the subject of his latest claim.

[Duck Hunt]

Well as I understand, when you "short stroke" a cocker, you basically pull the trigger too fast and the chamber ball doesn't get enough air behind it.

A mag you can kinda short stroke, if the bolt resets too fast the reg won't have enough pressure to push the bolt forward again.

Personally thats all I can think of I haven't used to many cockers.

Sean

[danheneise]

i think these might help

Cocker



Mag



As you see the only similarty there is is that the bolts move. other than that they work completely different

[RingOfScale]

oh wow, i love the animations

[Acer12]

what short stroking a cocker actually means is when you don't pull the triger all the way and it only blows the bolt back halfway.

[Blazestorm]

Actually when you short-stroke a cocker, you basically let the lug go but do not go far enough for the 3-way to go back. So inturn, your gun poops and the hammer does not get recocked =P

"chuffing" a mag I believe is when you shoot and do not press the on/off in all the way... causing a chuff.

-_-

An autococker is simply a pump, that pumps when you pull the trigger.

[gc82000]

Or you could look at the classification of each gun to help explain the way they operate. Like the mag is a Open bolt blow forward type of gun, meaning when the trigger is pulled the bolt moves forward and strikes the ball with the bolt and a blast of air. While the cocker is a closed bolt blow back type of gun. Translation, the bolt initially pushes (not strikes) the ball forward to the barrel, but instead it is blown back and this blast of air is what propels the ball forward.
danheneise great animation but it is flawed in the fact that it does not take two pulls to fire a ball. but accurate on everything else.

[Nexus]

Wow, the animations are incredibly helpful. Thanks. Like I thought, my friend does not know anywhere near as much as he thinks he does. Thanks everyone.

[rkjunior303]

there's just too much going on in that cocker lol.

[Halliday]

Very nice animations.

[davidnj]

Thats a great set of animations. I own both and never really understood what was going on in my cocker untill I saw that :P

[fuzzynutzipper]

cockers aren't that terribly complicated if you just think about each part on the front block, and what moves when.

You pull the trigger and the sear releases the valve opens, shooting the paintball
At the same time the 3-way valve, using regulated air from the front lpr, sends air to the ram which pushes the bolt, back block, and cocking rod back.
This cocks the gun, and allows a ball to drop into the chamber.
When you release the trigger the 3-way closes off the air to the front of the ram and sends air back to the rear end of it which forces the back block closed.
From there you are ready to shoot again.

the animation helps visualize this, but to me, there is too much to look at. at least in the cocker one. but of course there is a lot happening in a short amount of time