Paintball Sniper!

[Skoad]

yes thats sniping in paintball. But some scenarios are meant for more realism, and you can't tell me someone with a m16 can shoot a further distance with better accuracy then a sniper with a sniper rifle.

[shartley]

yes thats sniping in paintball. But some scenarios are meant for more realism, and you can't tell me someone with a m16 can shoot a further distance with better accuracy then a sniper with a sniper rifle.

[1stdeadeye]

yes thats sniping in paintball. But some scenarios are meant for more realism, and you can't tell me someone with a m16 can shoot a further distance with better accuracy then a sniper with a sniper rifle.

Then I guess we need to take the warheads off of som TOW missles and replace them with paintgrenades so we can have realistic anti tank weapons.

[Skoad]

[shartley]

[Skoad]

Well they don't complain when they go to a scenario and not everyone gets a medic's healing powers.....its part of the scenario game.

And yes we were talking about lowering, not raising velocities.

[shartley]

Well they don't complain when they go to a scenario and not everyone gets a medic's healing powers.....its part of the scenario game.

And yes we were talking about lowering, not raising velocities.

[Skoad]

I'm sorry you have to always be right.

I do agree however, we must be stopped.

[vonort]

Well to bring it back alive.. but on the point of real "sniper" rifles vs. an M16 and the range. Depending on the caliber of the "sniper" rifle the range could be very close. Now if we are talking a Barretts .50 cal then NO a M16 can not get the same range. But if you take a .308 which is a very common sniper round and compare the ballistics to the .223 round in the M16 you won't gain much range. The .308 will have more punch at the longer range.. but the .223 will shoot flatter. Both are capable of hitting targets at over 500 meters.


I agree with Shartley. People are not going to lower thier velocity knowing that other players can shoot at a higher velocity than them. Like I posted before. If YOU want to play the role of a sniper and have longer range than other people (even thought that is not true sniping) Then buy an A-5 with a Flatline.

[ZapTheMad]

or shoot downhill

[mag-hatter]

that one is actually pretty sweetlooking
the other ones consist of BS and laser pointers.

[abunkerer]

HA! I've seen that p90 before!

Wierd how pictures turn up randomly..
that gun belongs to a teammate of mine! I guess he got bored and converted an airsoft gun..I hope he dosen't use it in the tourney next weekend...

[Gold Baron]

In the arguement about Scenario realism when it comes to snipers and the range question I have a few comments!!! The point on range itself is correctly stated. In real firearms the .223 (5.56mm NATO) round does travel nearly the same distance as a .308 (7.62mm NATO) round. The difference comes with the weight of the projectiles as previously stated. a 30 cal. round is much heavier than a 22 round of any type including the .223! Thushe it is less likely to be affected by wind causing the shot to be more accurate at greater range than the .223!!! Recognizing this (and being a fairly well respected paintball sniper at the local feilds) It is my opinion that distance and fps are not the issue for long distance shots. Instead, as is the case in real sniping, it is accuracy at that distance! Now there are two ways in paintball to attain consistantly superior accuracy (not including the human error factor which would make 3) out of a marker. The first issue is paint, an not only quality but fill also. At present there has already been tournament level gellic paint developed that stays at a more consistant weight throughout the bag (close to the max weight also) as well as being less fluid (ie wont cause the ball to become off balanced in flight and veer as badly). On top of this is the fact that it is all but impossible to wipe off. Some scenarios are already designating these rounds for snipers because of their improved flight performance, while everyone else recieves standard paint. The other accuracy improvement (which some call "unfounded") can be atained just by having a marker with a specific type of action. everyone now a days tries to buy regulators and HPA to keep more consistent velocities for accuracy purposes, yet it surprises me that knowing that pressure regulation definately affects accuracy at distance, people still argue that blow-back, blow-forward, and pump-action markers are no different in accuracy from one another. Let me explain myself on a blow-back system, the air forces the bolt assembly back at the same time as it hits the ball. the presure to move the bolt back and the less air-tight gaps created by the process causes a inconsistent loss of pressure from shot to shot. A regulator may let air in at a more constant rate but that pure regulation is partially lost with every shot fired! With the Automag setup, you see blow-forward which pushes the bolt assembly into place as the ball fires!!! The regulation of the outgoing air is more consistant due to this fact making the shots more accurate. However as most of you have probably realized by now with my lecture, pumps are superior in performace (if used properly) than even the automag, because all of the regulated air is traveling down the barrel every time, thus you keep almost perfect regulation! The downfall of this is that with accuracy you lose rate of fire, because whereas with any semi you can fire as fast as the trigger will pull and likely maintain the same margin of loss of regulation, you must keep the breach of a pump closed until tholt actione ball has left the barrel to keep its almost flawless regulation of air. If you don't your regulation and accuracy of shots will be no different from a semiauto or fullauto marker. Keeping this in mind, a bolt action marker would have a slight advantage over a pump in that the bolt must be locked forward every time you fire the marker allowing the presure out of the tank or regulator to go down the barrel and the barrel alone, causing that type of marker to be far more accurate at distance than a semiauto marker! This is the same reason you still see so many real bolt action sniper rifles in use today!!!!
Hence, AFTER TRAINING YOURSELF TO BE ACCURATE AND ELIMINATING THE THREAT OF HUMAN ERROR AS BEST YOU CAN, choosing the right equipment can make or break long distance shots!!! Sorry for the length of this post, lol!!!

Gold Baron Out!!!

[ahellers]

hmm nice post (whisper.... umm hey next time check the post dates)
welcome to AO
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[magman007]

In the arguement about Scenario realism when it comes to snipers and the range question I have a few comments!!! The point on range itself is correctly stated. In real firearms the .223 (5.56mm NATO) round does travel nearly the same distance as a .308 (7.62mm NATO) round. The difference comes with the weight of the projectiles as previously stated. a 30 cal. round is much heavier than a 22 round of any type including the .223! Thushe it is less likely to be affected by wind causing the shot to be more accurate at greater range than the .223!!! Recognizing this (and being a fairly well respected paintball sniper at the local feilds) It is my opinion that distance and fps are not the issue for long distance shots. Instead, as is the case in real sniping, it is accuracy at that distance! Now there are two ways in paintball to attain consistantly superior accuracy (not including the human error factor which would make 3) out of a marker. The first issue is paint, an not only quality but fill also. At present there has already been tournament level gellic paint developed that stays at a more consistant weight throughout the bag (close to the max weight also) as well as being less fluid (ie wont cause the ball to become off balanced in flight and veer as badly). On top of this is the fact that it is all but impossible to wipe off. Some scenarios are already designating these rounds for snipers because of their improved flight performance, while everyone else recieves standard paint. The other accuracy improvement (which some call "unfounded") can be atained just by having a marker with a specific type of action. everyone now a days tries to buy regulators and HPA to keep more consistent velocities for accuracy purposes, yet it surprises me that knowing that pressure regulation definately affects accuracy at distance, people still argue that blow-back, blow-forward, and pump-action markers are no different in accuracy from one another. Let me explain myself on a blow-back system, the air forces the bolt assembly back at the same time as it hits the ball. the presure to move the bolt back and the less air-tight gaps created by the process causes a inconsistent loss of pressure from shot to shot. A regulator may let air in at a more constant rate but that pure regulation is partially lost with every shot fired! With the Automag setup, you see blow-forward which pushes the bolt assembly into place as the ball fires!!! The regulation of the outgoing air is more consistant due to this fact making the shots more accurate. However as most of you have probably realized by now with my lecture, pumps are superior in performace (if used properly) than even the automag, because all of the regulated air is traveling down the barrel every time, thus you keep almost perfect regulation! The downfall of this is that with accuracy you lose rate of fire, because whereas with any semi you can fire as fast as the trigger will pull and likely maintain the same margin of loss of regulation, you must keep the breach of a pump closed until tholt actione ball has left the barrel to keep its almost flawless regulation of air. If you don't your regulation and accuracy of shots will be no different from a semiauto or fullauto marker. Keeping this in mind, a bolt action marker would have a slight advantage over a pump in that the bolt must be locked forward every time you fire the marker allowing the presure out of the tank or regulator to go down the barrel and the barrel alone, causing that type of marker to be far more accurate at distance than a semiauto marker! This is the same reason you still see so many real bolt action sniper rifles in use today!!!!
Hence, AFTER TRAINING YOURSELF TO BE ACCURATE AND ELIMINATING THE THREAT OF HUMAN ERROR AS BEST YOU CAN, choosing the right equipment can make or break long distance shots!!! Sorry for the length of this post, lol!!!

Gold Baron Out!!!

wow, im oretty sure you posted every stereo type about accuracy out there. good job on not understanding physics. BTW every semi seals the breach completely before releasing air. just a heads up.